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[DIY DTG] MICRO CONTOLLER MOD FOR EPSONS (poll)

View Poll Results: do you find the price resonable for the objective?
yes 3 37.50%
no 5 62.50%
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Old March 28th, 2010 Mar 28, 2010 10:52:14 AM -   #16 (permalink)
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I Really appreciate the info on the patents. i originally thought of producing the whole unit using epson technology. It was discovered almost instantly that it would be a monster undertaking, license agreements, patent issues, royalties and on and on, which would bring the price up to what these these commercial units retail at which is not the objective.i figured this is where most of the cost came in for these units. so that brought me to where im at now, the kit or the electronics which obviously requires some mechanical skills to produce by the end user therefor market limited by that fact alone. then the warranty! i believe the only thing you could offer like you said is testing before it left with specific installation instructions with a removal sticker or something and limited warranty very limited due to the fact you are not in control of the installation. its a huge risk if you were planning on this to be your soul income but thats not the case for me. then i thought of including the program software where the end user could buy a blank micro controller and download the software, well we all know how that works there would be file sharing an unauthorized reproduction, that being said worse case senario if i achieve my personal goals thats all i set out to do to begin with,this is not rocket science and it would be great for those that could apply this technology for there benefit at a reasonable price, but the headaches and frustration regarding as you said the risk to benefit i could do without and i really dont have a clear path regarding marketing it or if its in my best interest. one additional note the programming is 100% controlled by timing, which would separate me from the patents with incorporated sensors but thats just the electronics portion. I think the best thing to do is just show my creation when its all done and go from there, i have really enjoyed the challenge it provided and consider it more on a hobby level.

thanks again for the info best wishes

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Old March 28th, 2010 Mar 28, 2010 11:35:56 AM -   #17 (permalink)
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Wow, I leave for church and come back and everyone's goin' at it... I can assure you German and I are two different people... I don't care if you are skeptical! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If German's product works I will begin to buy it when my business expands.

As far as these things go... The controller should be sold as "Perform at your own risk..." After all, there is no guarantee that you won't screw up your printer after you begin to hack on it anyhow. So, why should German make any kind of warranty when your the one soldering on your controller board?

If you don't want it, don't buy it but why bash him for making a good effort?

Bob ?;O)
 
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Oh boy, here it goes.
Dennis, your comment is priceless... Thanks, it made me smile...

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Personally to me this makes for some un-professional looking bickering out in the open of a public forum.

I'm beginning to unlike this more and more.

Good luck with this. Its making for a bad taste reading this and possibly 150 viewers who would rather not get into this.


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Old March 28th, 2010 Mar 28, 2010 12:03:10 PM -   #20 (permalink)
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Wow... I don't think that's fair but your entitled to do what you want... Sorry to lose your contributions.

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Old March 28th, 2010 Mar 28, 2010 12:33:11 PM -   #21 (permalink)
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Wow, I leave for church and come back and everyone's goin' at it... I can assure you German and I are two different people... I don't care if you are skeptical! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If German's product works I will begin to buy it when my business expands.

As far as these things go... The controller should be sold as "Perform at your own risk..." After all, there is no guarantee that you won't screw up your printer after you begin to hack on it anyhow. So, why should German make any kind of warranty when your the one soldering on your controller board?

If you don't want it, don't buy it but why bash him for making a good effort?

Bob ?;O)
ok lets tackle this in order :
" I can assure you German and I are two different people"

for the second time re-read what i wrote, i will bolden the important part for you as you both missed it twice now:
"you and colorfinger could be the same person ................. no before you say i dont think you are, just makeing a point."

is that clear enough, I never thought you were, it was an example. But ever heard of the saying "doth protest to much" ? you both have jumped up and down on that point, i will ask you this do you or german know each other outside of these forums ?

"why should german offer any kind of warrenty"

hmmm now let me think, i pay $400 and i get no warrenty at all, after all i cant prove it ever worked in the first place can i ? so for instance, if there is some freak damage in transit that isnt obviously detectable i go ahead and install, it doesnt work, thats $400 down the drain right ?
and you dont think that will concern anyone because after all you have to take a risk right ?

what am i thinking where is my etiquette in asking questions eh ? heaven forbid .......... i must just like the sound of my own voice .........

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I,m baffled by the morning transactions of the forums. I believe sodrisc truly had a bad purchase exp as he stated and when reading through previous post noticed remarks of similar nature, that being said i took it as a question to my character, and not to the question at hand, and it might have even been a price issue im not sure. I believe constructive criticism is a value to any project. However i also believe your own distrust because of your own personal dealings should not reflect on any one other than the ones whom betrayed you. In my industry negativity of that nature is not tolerated due to productivity issues amongst others and you will be fired. period. Hence the response i proceeded to give. I stand by my response 100% due to the nature, and i apologized to him for my response publicly as well, and have yet to receive one. I also apologize to anyone whom had to read this and may have been offended
I think it all comes down to what your budget and objective is if your looking for a 100,000 mile warranty that just is not going to happen with this kind of installation and this would,nt be for you and truthfully is not going to happen with a commercial unit either, most come with parts and labor for such n such time for a certain period. its like some people want a porsche at a kia price? i dont know any other way to explain it!

thanks jeff

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Old March 28th, 2010 Mar 28, 2010 1:30:08 PM -   #23 (permalink)
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right lets do this one a point at a time :
you said:
" However i also believe your own distrust because of your own personal dealings should not reflect on any one other than the ones whom betrayed you"

yes i almost got ripped off twice on deals made over the internet that went sour, so i ask my questions to make sure it doesnt happen again with somebody offering something for hundreds of dollars on the internet, take that as a personal slur if you want it isnt intended, if you want to not get ripped off on the internet you have to be suspicious, only mugs are not, experience has taught me that much.

You said:
"In my industry negativity of that nature is not tolerated due to productivity issues amongst others and you will be fired. period. "

what are you going on about ? see my above response, i couldnt care less what happens in workplaces of yours, you want to peddle wares on a internet forum ? i will ask some pertinent questions wether you like them or not.

You said:
"I stand by my response 100% due to the nature, and i apologized to him for my response publicly as well, and have yet to receive one. "

You didnt apologise, you think apologising and saying in the same breath i meant every word is a apology ? thats laughable. You wont be hearing a apology from me, i have made no comment that warrants one, only question you on your product which you have answered in a very poor manner.

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I have no issue with your concerns, when you originally asked those questions i responded telling you that yes your concerns are valid and i would be shipping a unit to colorfinger for independent testing, as this was your suggestion which was already underway! I explained that i would post videos at completion of the project for evaluation.I explained the pricing that the manufacturer suggested to clarify all in good nature. you came back questioning my character in the form of (sweeping claims, and questioning my profession i posted and this and that saying anyone could do say anything and videos could be faked? so i dont know what you call that? that is what all internet dealings encounter is it not? so the only thing that i guess would suffice you would to come see it in person when completed, i welcome you to that as well at my chicago location if it makes you feel better, or im sure colorfinger would entertain you aswell in california if it suits you better. as far as my apology i apologize for the incident happening (sounds like you attracted some bad dealings and im sorry for you that way to)

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Old March 28th, 2010 Mar 28, 2010 2:25:41 PM -   #25 (permalink)
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additionally i'm not peddling wares on the forum as you say. If you will refer back to the poll question (do you find value in the micro controller @ 400 for its objective) simple question simple answer. you are not being forced to buy anything! this is merely a tool im using to see the interest in it! they would be peddled as you say on ebay or a separate website. hope i have answered your concerns clearly at this point.
 
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"Those Homo Sapiens and their guns!" ... Really, can't we all just get along? Few points... German will not be selling his controllers here. Second, let's just see how his product pans out before we throw so much skepticism at it (That kind of negativity never got a man on the moon). Lastly, I think we are after the same thing here. German is a bit more innovative and is seeking a solution. I appreciate everyone's opinion and we should honor each other by being civil when we disagree. He is not against sharing that solution but it is not without cost to him... His question is, "Do you think $400 is a fair price?" I think it is a fair question...Bob ?;O)
 
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the micro controller should be a hard copy by april 8, per my electronics contractor we have ran it successfully on a proto-board. we plan on debuting it approx 1 week after as long as everything goes to plan. ill post up when everything is ready
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