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Old May 10th, 2018 May 10, 2018 11:33:06 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Ricoh Ri 100 DTG $5k

Does anyone have any experience with the new Ricoh Ri 100 DTG printer? The package, which includes the printer, finisher, two plates, and a set of ink, is $5,190.00. Which is an affordable option for me right now.

The only drawback is that it doesn't utilize white ink (Only CMYK) so no printing on dark fabrics. And we all know that within a year (probably less) a DTG will be released at a similar price point that DOES print on dark fabrics.

Does anyone have any experience with this machine? Are there any options that do print on dark fabrics that are under 10k that I haven't found yet?

Any help would greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Default Re: Ricoh Ri 100 DTG $5k

Also check the max print size to make sure that works for you. It is smaller than most.
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Default Re: Ricoh Ri 100 DTG $5k

I thought this was a 'BRAND NEW' product.
I doubt there are many users available for comment who are not in Ricoh's marketing budget.
If I understand the R100 concept, the stackable desktop product moves the heat press into the office environment. That should not be a problem.
 
 
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I just ordered one of these at $4995 for the printer and the little forced-air dryer.

The cost per liter of ink is $85. Crazy less expensive than the $150-$300 per liter of Brother or Epson.

For me, I can now do one-off, four color jobs. And it's not a transfer.

If we look over time, a few years ago the DTG printers were $25-$20k.
Then Brother ($17k) and Epson ($15k) came out.
Now Ricoh has a printer at $5k. A super huge drop. I think they'll sell a billion.

Screen printers will suffer a bit, but other DTG shops will see their margins shrink.

I'll let you know how I like the unit.

Eric
 
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Default Re: Ricoh Ri 100 DTG $5k

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I just ordered one of these at $4995 for the printer and the little forced-air dryer.

The cost per liter of ink is $85. Crazy less expensive than the $150-$300 per liter of Brother or Epson.

For me, I can now do one-off, four color jobs. And it's not a transfer.

If we look over time, a few years ago the DTG printers were $25-$20k.
Then Brother ($17k) and Epson ($15k) came out.
Now Ricoh has a printer at $5k. A super huge drop. I think they'll sell a billion.

Screen printers will suffer a bit, but other DTG shops will see their margins shrink.

I'll let you know how I like the unit.

Eric
How do you like the Ricoh Ri 100?
 
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Default Re: Ricoh Ri 100 DTG $5k

I love it. It's fast. The design software is great. And I can print right from Photoshop.

The heatpress / heater oven is simple to use.

A shirt takes about 2.5 min to print and 3 to cure.
The pre-heat/press takes 30 sec. It came with three platens (Two A4, and one A5). I purchased another A4. BTW, for us Americans, A4 is about 8.5x11.

With three A4 platens, I can be pre/heating one shirt, and printing another, while threading another. So that's about one shirt per 3.5 minutes. so about 15 shirts an hour - full color.

What this does for me, is it gives me the ability to take one off orders at $25 per. Or small, full color orders at $25/10 shirts.

I have never found a heat transfer that lasted that long. They all seem to fade.

I still screen print, but now I can do small jobs (as in one) really fast. And the cost per shirt is like $.30 of ink. Over the years I have lost so much money on Epson or Brother inkjet printers that jammed - losing me the cost of the transfer paper.

I suspect I've spent way to much time fighting inkjet printers. Now I only have a cannon (not multi-function) for screen positives.

The Ricoh Ri 100 has a small print field, does not do black without a hack, and is not super fast. BUT ... it's super small, under $5k, and prints well. For me, it fills a niche. I have found a way to print on dark shirts, and extend the print area.

For example, I screen print one color as an overall print, then use the Ricoh to print the A4 center area. The overall look is a full color, all over print - with only one screen.

I've also done dress shirts. The printer can do a left chest all day long.

A full color logo on a dress shirt, without any screens, is profitable without any set-up. I can print left-chest logos with each person's name in no extra time. Every shirt get's a custom name.

Overall the Ricoh fits a need for either small jobs or multiple variation jobs (like names or numbers). I think the Ricoh will help me earn more business this year.

For most dark one-offs, I have an OKI 711WT and the forever transfers. About $3 per print and three step process. About the same amount of time. For me, these two printers let me take small jobs at a profit.

One day I may get a DTG that has a larger field and can do black without a hack. The Kornit Breeze is about $40k or so. That's too rich for me right now. But the Ricoh lets me say YES to small jobs on light fabric, and profitably.

1,000 prints of transfer paper for lights might be $500 (paper + ink).
1,000 prints on the Ricoh is $300 and less time for the operator.
That's $200 is savings per 1k prints. So it will take a while to justify a $5k investment.

But with better quality than transfers (in my opinion), I can charge more. So I think I'll see this paid off in a quarter.

Sorry to be so long winded, but I love this printer!

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Default Re: Ricoh Ri 100 DTG $5k

80 washes with the dtg then the ink starts to faded. silkscreeners will not suffer at all we heard this line before. the new silicone inks is what making headlines. guess what dtg cant print that. also i'm sure most that print we print bigger than 8.5x11.
 
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Default Re: Ricoh Ri 100 DTG $5k

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80 washes with the dtg then the ink starts to faded. silkscreeners will not suffer at all we heard this line before. the new silicone inks is what making headlines. guess what dtg cant print that. also i'm sure most that print we print bigger than 8.5x11.
You're right. Don't get me wrong, I purchased this DTG to help me get MORE clients that might want screen printing. They may start as a one-off client, but my goal is to convert them to more prints and screen prints.

With my screen print setup, I can print anywhere. And oversized or all-over-printing commands a higher price than DTG. There are some DTG printers that print 20x24 inch. However, being able to print one-off shirts, in full color, without transfers is huge.

Using my Epson (which I just tossed in the garbage), I could print a transfer, on quality paper, that faded in about 10 washes. So 50 would be an improvement. 50 washes would be years of wear.

I am not a fan of printing everything for the client. I don't do spangle, rhinestones, heat applied vinyl (I have a cutter for other stuff).

The DTG printer, fits a niche in the market to get clients. Once I have them, I upsell.

DTG is training the market that it can get a one-off shirt for about $25. The Big Frog franchise ($100,000 buy in) lets someone run a DTG retail business selling shirts at $20 for one. So that model exists. The screen printing is not on-site, but jobbed out to the franchise printing locations that print and ship. The retail stores are feeder sites.

But I don't want the retail overhead. So for me, this little DTG printer offers a market advantage. A way into the client's conversation about an order.

Eric
 
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"The Ricoh Ri 100 has a small print field, does not do black without a hack, and is not super fast. BUT ... it's super small, under $5k, and prints well. For me, it fills a niche. I have found a way to print on dark shirts, and extend the print area.

For example, I screen print one color as an overall print, then use the Ricoh to print the A4 center area. The overall look is a full color, all over print - with only one screen."
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Do I understand correctly, you are printing on black using this DTG by first screen printing a base. I have never been able to get the DGT inks to adhere to the underbase.
Perhaps you are discharging which injects a bunch more steps and concerns.

I hope you say you can print on the base and acheive the durability needed. If so, what ink is your base created with?
Thank you.
 
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Do I understand correctly, you are printing on black using this DTG by first screen printing a base. I have never been able to get the DGT inks to adhere to the underbase.
Perhaps you are discharging which injects a bunch more steps and concerns.

I hope you say you can print on the base and acheive the durability needed. If so, what ink is your base created with?
Thank you.
I don't use a base.
I discharge. Because I also airbrush t-shirts, I have a special airbrush attachment for fast, field spraying. Using a mask (airbrush speak for a blockout) frame, I spray the shirt with a special discharge that works for airbrushing. This discharges the shirt chemically.

I can do about one shirt very 5 seconds.

For most DTG printers, there is an pre-treatment for dark shirts. The Kornit Breeze I saw at a show, did the pre-treatment inline. It's $40k.

DTG printers under $20k need pretreatment (from what I've been told). So, unless you're spending upword of $25k, I suspect everyone is pretreating dark garments.

With the airbrush, my pretreatment is super fast and needs no heatpress step.

But again, it's a hack.
 
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Default Re: Ricoh Ri 100 DTG $5k

I have another post on this website and I am desperate for help from someone that uses this printer. I have the Ricoh 100 too and I am having trouble printing fonts and occasional graphics without a little double print happening

I am printing .psd from photoshop right to the printer.

If you notice the word three the first e comes out fine and the second has a little shadow. And in the other font it also has a shadow in the letters as well.

I was wondering if you have had this issue with this printer or if you knew a fix for it

Thanks
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The problem you're having is because of Vivid mode.
Here is how to fix this.

The printer has four modes, and some heights.

In normal mode, it will printer either print unidirectional or bidirectional.
This is ONE pass.

In vivid mode, it printers the shirt TWICE, and you get this "shadow" effect.

This is do to a slight misalignment in the second pass registration.

Because vivid mode lays down more ink, it's kind of nice to use. However, it can result in this unregistered shadow.

Solution #1.
Adjust the height of the print head. I own two of these printers and when the printhead is at the right height, the off set will be reduced on the second print. That is, it's less noticeable.

Solution #2.
Run the alignment program on a t-shirt.
This prints a test pattern for you to set the alignment.

This can help you verify the height is correct.

Solution #3.
Because vivid mode, is really two prints, you can stay in standard mode and print two copies.
Vivid mode may have a slight off set, and printing two copies gives you the same effect, but may case the cassette to be returned to the true home position.

Let me know if any of these solved your problem.

Thanks Eric
 
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The problem you're having is because of Vivid mode.
Here is how to fix this.

The printer has four modes, and some heights.

In normal mode, it will printer either print unidirectional or bidirectional.
This is ONE pass.

In vivid mode, it printers the shirt TWICE, and you get this "shadow" effect.

This is do to a slight misalignment in the second pass registration.

Because vivid mode lays down more ink, it's kind of nice to use. However, it can result in this unregistered shadow.

Solution #1.
Adjust the height of the print head. I own two of these printers and when the printhead is at the right height, the off set will be reduced on the second print. That is, it's less noticeable.

Solution #2.
Run the alignment program on a t-shirt.
This prints a test pattern for you to set the alignment.

This can help you verify the height is correct.

Solution #3.
Because vivid mode, is really two prints, you can stay in standard mode and print two copies.
Vivid mode may have a slight off set, and printing two copies gives you the same effect, but may case the cassette to be returned to the true home position.

Let me know if any of these solved your problem.

Thanks Eric
Thanks for the help. So here is the weird thing
This still happens even when I dont print in vivid mode. I attached another picture done in thin garment speed mode. The other thing is it seems to happen at the top of the cassette, i.e i make childrens baseball shirts, i put the name at the top of the shirt and it will print this way however if i put a name in the middle of the cassette it lrints fine. I am stumped and this is slowing down my production tremendously so its getting very frustrating.

Any other suggestions? Thanks again!
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Have you done the test print to set the adjustment?

In the maintenance menu, there is a test print procedure.
Once the test print is done, you can do an adjustment for standard t-shirt, fine t-shirt and vivid t-shirt. Although I suspect the adjustment will be the same value.

Try that. Run the test print and make the adjustment.

If that fails, try the same print in unidirectional mode. See if the problem goes away.

Let me know what you find out.

Eric
 
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80 washes with the dtg then the ink starts to faded. silkscreeners will not suffer at all we heard this line before. the new silicone inks is what making headlines. guess what dtg cant print that. also i'm sure most that print we print bigger than 8.5x11.
Two points.

80 washes is a lot. That's two years of wearing the shirt more than twice a month.

And ...

90% of my screen printing customers wanted an 8.5 x 11 print area anyway. Kids clothing, large or smaller shirts. And, I can register the shirt for a second print (17 x 11) still faster than the four color set-up for screens.

I still screen print, but this printer is amazing in what it can do. And the customers it can serve.

It's been a money maker for me.
 






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