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Old August 9th, 2008 Aug 9, 2008 3:12:12 PM -   #16 (permalink)
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i have been using simple green for the last week to clean the head/capping station etc.... it works very well, im using 20ml of undiluted simple green per 500ml of distilled water, any more than that tends to froth to much for my liking while cleaning.
This has become a rather interesting thread (peeing on the printhead notwithstanding ). Have you observed any negative side effects of Simple Green yet?

I have been looking at the various products offered by the makers of Simple Green, and the ones that seem most interesting are the variants made for pressure washing. They are listed as non-corrosive and non-acidic, two properties I would think are important when using to clean a print head.

The 20ml/500ml dilution would indicate it is enormously cheaper than HD Cleaner but I wonder if it would be harmful if used to power clean a 4880, not just clean the capping station and outside of the head?

The 'Aircraft' version of Simple Green is designed for use where it can come in contact with rubber, vinyl and metal items, but I haven't found a local supplier.

Under normal domestic use, it is necessary to rinse the stuff away after cleaning, so I wonder if there might be a build-up of cleaner residue after a while? Of course, the same might be true of HD Cleaner too. What none of us likely knows is whether or not there is any chemical interaction between Simple Green and ink components that might cause trouble in the long term.

Does anyone know what is in these various versions of the product? The only info I have found simply states it's non-toxic and biodegradable. Curious minds want to know
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Old August 9th, 2008 Aug 9, 2008 4:21:56 PM -   #17 (permalink)
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Did a little more reading, and something important came to light ... the standard household version of Simple Green should not be used on aluminum surfaces.

Although I expect that any aluminum parts in the ink delivery chain of a DTG printer are anodized for protection against water damage, this caution bears watching. The 'Aircraft' version most likely avoids this issue (of course!).

For that matter, are there any aluminum components in an Epson ink system?
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Old August 9th, 2008 Aug 9, 2008 4:41:13 PM -   #18 (permalink)
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thats a little worrying...... but since i have been using simple green to clean the head/capping station i havent had to run cleans of cleaning fluid in the carts at all yet, i do run a couple of head cleans after application so i guess thats getting rid of any excess left on there ?
 
 
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thats a little worrying......
Yes, that's why I'd like to locate some of the 'Aircraft' grade Simple Green, because it should be formulated to not affect aluminum. I'm not certain that the advertised 'non-corrosive' and 'non-acidic' properties of the 'Pressure Wash' variants would qualify, so I need to dig a bit further.

With regard to our cleaning schedule (BlazerPro) we religiously clean the heads at least twice per day, even on days we don't do any printing. On days when we do a lot of printing, the capping station is cleaned at least once partway thru the day. We have found that anything less can occasionally lead to clogged nozzles simply because the head tends to dry out a bit despite a good capping station seal. Our little print shop has tightly controlled temperature and humidity, which should help (and it makes working there quite pleasant).

In another thread, I mentioned that we were having real problems with possibly non-genuine or old white ink, and it has taken a significant amount of time for this to clear up. We are going to be much more careful in that regard as well. I'm hoping that a diluted Simple Green solution could be a decent but less expensive 'de-clogger' for situations like that.
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I found a source for good "aircraft" grade simple green.

and I converted the ounces in relation to the mix that was suggested earlier in this thread.

.68 oz of simple green to 17 oz of distilled water.

OR

.8 oz of simple green to 20 oz of distilled water. (Soda bottle)

Basically a 1/25 ratio per ounce.

I hope this helps. I am eager to try this verses the $80 for 1 liter.

 
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Thanks for the link to the Simple Green reseller. Too bad I can't easily get the stuff shipped into Canada (shipping costs more than the product, and liquids can be problematic unless really well packed).

In the mean time, we have discovered that the latest batch of HD cleaner from US Screen seems different ... rather oily and thick, and it foams easily. In conversation with the support folks, it was suggested that we dilute the HD fluid 30% with distilled water and add a small amount of isopropyl alcohol to increase its effectiveness. So far this has not caused any problems, although its tendency to foam up is a bit annoying.
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I did also notice that the cleaning solution that Mesa now sells for the dtg's, the pink stuff, is really foamy. I am not sure what is up with that, but it really foams alot. When they had the clear cleaner, it never foamed.
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Default Re: Heavy-Duty Cleaning Fluid for DTG

So, here we are, 2 years on from the last post in the discussion on Simple Green.

Any conclusions? Does anyone use this for cleaning DTG lines & prinheads? If so, what's your mixture?

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It's interesting this thread should wake up again 2 years later.

We have continued to use the expensive HD cleaner because there are too many unanswered questions regarding SimpleGreen to risk damaging our printer.

We stopped adding isopropyl alcohol to the mixture because there have been suggestions elsewhere that it can damage the rubber seal on the capping station. We have no proof of this, but it's better to be safe than sorry.

We still religiously clean the head and capping station seal often during a busy day, and at least once per day when not printing (including weekends). Lately business has been quite good, so keeping the printer busy and clean is paying off. Over the past 3+ years we have found that the harder you work the Blazer, the better it performs. Part of that may be due to serious attention to maintenance and cleanliness.

Now, if only someone would come up with a good bagged-ink conversion kit (Mod-1 style) for the 4880, we'd be in even better shape.
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I'm certain there's an alternative we could mix ourselves and save a substantial amount of do$h.

When I purchased my Neoflex system I also purchased a Jet Genie Inkjet Head Cleaner - a bit of insurance against the inevitable ink clogs. However, I have to say I've not experienced any clogging.


I received an email from the inventor of the Jet Genie today when I suggested creating a cleaning mix including isopropanol. This is his reply:

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DO NOT use alcohol!!!! You’ll ruin the print head AND the Jet Genie"
 
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THANKS FOR YOUR POSTING!

You have confirmed what others have suggested could be a problem. Luckily our only use of isopropanol was a *very* low percentage of the mixture, and we stopped using it months ago, so it would appear we've dodged a bullet.

Which makes me wonder ... does SimpleGreen contain even small amounts of alcohol? And is it made with either distilled or ultra-filtered water? Tiny insoluble particulates in any cleaning solution could conceivably lodge in the nozzles.

And forget about the suggestion made some time ago of using Windex ... it's very alkaline and contains a wax to make surfaces look shiny. Just lovely.
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DTGInks.com sells CPS, Clog Protection Solution, for the capping station. We use it on our DTG Kiosk II and our 1280 dyesub.
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Default Re: Heavy-Duty Cleaning Fluid for DTG

We no longer use Simple Green, it delaminated a few of our print heads after continuous use.

What to use really depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you are looking for a cleaning for the capping station, wiper blade etc, then it really doesn't matter what you use as long as you clean the area daily. You can use windex, pure amonia, a combo of the two, or cut with distilled water.

If you are leaving fluid in the capping station, use the Dupont Flushing solution in your capping station as opposed to windex, ammonia or simple green.
A few of my print heads became delaminated using simple green, and ammonia based cleaners can do the same.

When using Bagged ink from Belquette, we found we don't even have to let the print head 'soak' overnight in the capping station anymore. We just clean it down with windex and when the print head is docked, turn the printer off. No auto-head cleans needed so it saves on waste ink as well.
Our humidity is on average 30% and the Belquette bags still perform amazing. Even leaving it for an entire weekend sitting in a dry but clean capping station will be ok.
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Good info ... thanks!! Now I'm glad we didn't try SimpleGreen or an ammonia solution.

All we need is a reliable conversion kit for Belquette bagged ink on a 4880 and we're golden
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Can you tell the process how to use the DTG Clog Protection Solution...there arent any procedures on how to use it and I can't seem to get an answer...
 






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