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Old October 7th, 2013 Oct 7, 2013 1:36:33 PM -   #16 (permalink)
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You will want to outsource to someone who does DTG printing. There is not enough quantity to justify a machine purchase.
@kevrokr this is an interesting comment. What volume do you think would justify a DTG machine purchase?

Why wouldn't 2-3 t-shirts a day justify it? Do you just mean in turns of paying back the equipment costs?
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Old October 7th, 2013 Oct 7, 2013 1:56:44 PM -   #17 (permalink)
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@kevrokr this is an interesting comment. What volume do you think would justify a DTG machine purchase?

Why wouldn't 2-3 t-shirts a day justify it? Do you just mean in turns of paying back the equipment costs?
Not only by not having enough work to recoup your investment, but also to keep the ink (white ink particularly) flowing through the machine. When you're not using the machine on a daily basis, you are allowing the white ink to settle in the ink delivery system. This will cause issues down the line and you will be on the phone with technical support wondering why your machine isn't working properly.

I guess to properly answer the question, what would you want out of the machine on a daily, weekly and monthly basis. Are you trying to form a business around the machine? If so, you will want to be sure that the machine is profitable. Is it an addition to an already established business? If so, the machine does not have to be nearly as profitable but you will spend precious time doing extra maintenance to keep the ink flowing. Some people work out of their homes and some people are running out of a store front. Obviously, you will need the machine to be more profitable if you have rent, electric, and employees to pay.

I do have customers that have larger shops which already do screen printing and embroidery, and while they are building the digital side, they will only keep CMYK ink in the machine and let the white ink orders build up until they are ready to load the white ink and fulfill those orders. When the white ink orders are finished, they will remove the white ink and fill those channels with flushing solution to keep the system running smoothly.

But to answer your question, you COULD do 2-3 shirts per day and keep the machine running. I'm trying to keep this post generic and non-promotional, but we do have a ROI calculator on our website that would help in making these types of decisions: https://www.belquette.com/index.php/...-on-investment
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Not only by not having enough work to recoup your investment, but also to keep the ink (white ink particularly) flowing through the machine. When you're not using the machine on a daily basis, you are allowing the white ink to settle in the ink delivery system. This will cause issues down the line and you will be on the phone with technical support wondering why your machine isn't working properly.
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But to answer your question, you COULD do 2-3 shirts per day and keep the machine running.
So, as long as you're printing at least 1 t-shirt a day, that would be enough to keep the ink flowing (not settling)?
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Thank you, that makes sense.



So, as long as you're printing at least 1 t-shirt a day, that would be enough to keep the ink flowing (not settling)?


Our recommendation is to try running at least one dark shirt a day. Instead of just wasting a shirt and a print we suggest that the customer put together, or source out, a great looking design that has their company name, web site, phone number on it. If they don't have any orders to do that day they should just run a shirt with the promotional design on it. This way they build up a sample shirt pile to give out to potential customers to demonstrate their capabilities.
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So, as long as you're printing at least 1 t-shirt a day, that would be enough to keep the ink flowing (not settling)?
You will still see settling in the ink lines no matter how many shirts you print. It's just that you will see an acceleration in the build-up if you are printing such a small amount. Even with an ink circulation system, the heavier elements in the ink will settle out, and without regularly flushing the lines, you will eventually get ink starvation.
 
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Just a comment on the durability of DTG prints compared to screen prints. I will agree that overall, screen printing, on average produces a more durable print. But, if you slap down close to $5 of ink on a dark garment...that print has the potential to be here after the end of human existence on Earth I have some shirts I printed for myself personally, and Im pretty sure the cheap G2000 its on will fall to threads before the print degrades. Just my 2 cents.
 
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Just a comment on the durability of DTG prints compared to screen prints. I will agree that overall, screen printing, on average produces a more durable print. But, if you slap down close to $5 of ink on a dark garment...that print has the potential to be here after the end of human existence on Earth I have some shirts I printed for myself personally, and Im pretty sure the cheap G2000 its on will fall to threads before the print degrades. Just my 2 cents.

We're on the third generation of d-t-g inks. At this point we have found the durability and washability to be similar to screen printed garments. We have employees who everyday wear shirts that we have printed - many that have probably been washed 50 up to 100 times. As you mentioned about your prints, some of the shirts are getting worn out but the prints still look great.
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We're on the third generation of d-t-g inks. At this point we have found the durability and washability to be similar to screen printed garments. We have employees who everyday wear shirts that we have printed - many that have probably been washed 50 up to 100 times. As you mentioned about your prints, some of the shirts are getting worn out but the prints still look great.
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Hi, one question, can I mix 50-50 pretreatment to print cmyk on light shirt to get the better washability? the pretreatment is use for white ink.
 
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Hi, one question, can I mix 50-50 pretreatment to print cmyk on light shirt to get the better washability? the pretreatment is use for white ink.
You probably should start a new topic for this question
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