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[Brother GT-782] At $3/shirt, isn't a $55K GT-782 too expensive?

 
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Old November 15th, 2010 Nov 15, 2010 11:31:07 PM -   #31 (permalink)
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Default Re: At $3/shirt, isn't a $55K GT-782 too expensive?

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Old November 16th, 2010 Nov 16, 2010 6:50:42 AM -   #32 (permalink)
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Default Re: At $3/shirt, isn't a $55K GT-782 too expensive?

I'm talking generally.

Even if the Brother uses less ink than the Epson Machines for the same design, I find it hard to Imagine that it costs less to operate the Brother at $300/500ml (or $225) vs $160/500ml.

Having some experienced cc numbers from the rip from both machines would reveal the percentages...
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Old November 16th, 2010 Nov 16, 2010 8:19:52 AM -   #33 (permalink)
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Default Re: At $3/shirt, isn't a $55K GT-782 too expensive?

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Default Re: At $3/shirt, isn't a $55K GT-782 too expensive?

I posted this in the 782 diary. It costs less to print the same design on the 782. The Epson printers use twice as much ink.
 
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Old November 16th, 2010 Nov 16, 2010 10:59:02 PM -   #35 (permalink)
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Default Re: At $3/shirt, isn't a $55K GT-782 too expensive?

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I posted this in the 782 diary. It costs less to print the same design on the 782. The Epson printers use twice as much ink.
Bottom line...

I know the quality of the Brother 782 prints are to my liking as I've been having my new designs printed on a 782 for almost a year..., and the washability is good enough, even tho they've only last 6 months of weekly washing (24 washes)

Bottom line...
Is the Brother 782 CHEAPER to operate over a Epson Based Machine even when you include:

1.The $20 per day Ink Maintenance Cost.
2. The $35 extra per day cost of the 4 year lease on $52k vs the $17K Lease on say a Mod-1
3. Speed of Print and Curing...
4. Reliability / Ease of Use
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Old November 17th, 2010 Nov 17, 2010 12:35:10 AM -   #36 (permalink)
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Default Re: At $3/shirt, isn't a $55K GT-782 too expensive?

In our case we were seriously considering the GT782 and was following Printzilla's diary because he was one of the few to have owned a 782 and an epson based printer. He provided valuable info comparing and contrasting both types of printers, in the end we purchased the MOD1 because it fit our type of business better. We are a retail company that doesn't handle many wholesale orders and probably could not take advantage of the bulk ink price reduction right now.

One thing I really like about the MOD1 is it's print quality and wider color gamut. We print alot of designs which have large areas of solid color, with our GT541 banding was common depending on the color. Sometimes we would double print some designs just to cover up the banding issue. This can use alot of ink and really increase cost. As a recent test I sent the same 12" x 14" job to both printers, the MOD1 used about .60 worth of ink, double pass 1440x720, the GT541 used about $1.10 single pass. The MOD1's print due to the double pass looked deeper, colors more saturated than the Brother one, both were pretreated with fastcolor.

Also, I just had a customer wanting big purple text on a white shirt. Now with our new printer I am not so worried about reproducing great purples or pinks. I can see us slowly getting to the point where we hardly turn on our GT541 anymore to print light color shirts.

I know dark colored garments is another story and there are others here more suited to answering your questions. But is print quality, higher resolution and wider color gamut more important to you than washfastness, stretchability and ink cost? For us it was the former versus the latter because we handle mostly retail.

I will say this, I'm really glad and grateful we purchased our Brother machine when we did, it was by far the easiest machine to use and learn. It helped us grow to a point where we could move into a retail shop, learn enough about digital garment printing to take the next step and purchase a white ink machine.

Finally, the MOD1 gives us great flexibility in the future by not tying us down with the 55,000 price tag. We are hopeful we can pay our machine off quickly and then decide to either get another MOD1, a Brother or whatever is the next generation printer.
 
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Default Re: At $3/shirt, isn't a $55K GT-782 too expensive?

I own, not lease my equipment. It does not cost me $20 a day to maintain my printer. Even if it did, if I was doing 200 shirts a day, that is only a dime a shirt, hardly a deal breaker. If I was doing 20, it would be $1 a shirt, still not that difficult to accept when you consider all of the advantages.

I don't know if it's cheaper, as I am rarely interested in cheap. I am interested in things like value, long lasting, dependable, excellent end product, longevity, ease of use, support, etc.....

After owning nearly every brand, I choose to go with the Brother 782 when all facts were considered.

That is my bottom line.
 
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Default Re: At $3/shirt, isn't a $55K GT-782 too expensive?

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The Epson printers use twice as much ink.
Where does that number come from? Cafe Press uses Epson direct to garment printing systems. (I do not know about Zazzle.) I cannot imagine their print costs are 2x what they should be.
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Old November 17th, 2010 Nov 17, 2010 1:22:26 PM -   #39 (permalink)
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Default Re: At $3/shirt, isn't a $55K GT-782 too expensive?

The number comes directly out of the two RIP's that Cafe Preess uses....the Brother, and the iProof.

It is not always exactly twice as much, but it is in that neighborhood depending on design.
 
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Default Re: At $3/shirt, isn't a $55K GT-782 too expensive?

Taken from my diary post turns out it is soemtimes way more than twice as much.

Ok here are some examples of the same file printed at the same size on the 782 as well as my Epson based DTG with Dupont bagged inks at Belquette liter pricing. Print was done on green shirt with black ink. Brother white settings of 3,1. Epson white ink layer slider set at default of 50 in RIP, and ink output levels of 100 on all three white channels, and all cmyk channels.

Great Dane Graphics exploding baseball design @ 12x12 90%+ coverage:

Epson - 9.02ml of white ink @ .28 per ml = $2.52 1.55ml of cmyk @.28ml = $0.43 Total = $2.95

Brother - 4.19ml of white ink @ .45 per ml = $1.88 .78ml of cmyk @.60ml = $0.47 Total = $2.66

Hmmmmm rather interesting. The dupont ink is much cheaper, but uses waaaay more. Once we factor in waste however, the Brother becomes more expensive.

The Negative Camber car design was provided by http://www.graphicdisorder.com A big thanks to them for allowing me to share this.

This file was printed @ 12"x14" on a black shirt, with no black ink from either printer. Same settings as previous example.

Epson - white ink 5.87ml or $1.64 cmyk ink 1.86ml or $0.52 Total = $2.16

Brother - white ink 2.31ml or $1.04 cmyk ink .35ml or $0.21 Total = $1.25

The big difference in the Brother CMYK price is its use of the white in low volume to create the grays, were the Epson mixes CMYK to accomplish the greys.

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Default Re: At $3/shirt, isn't a $55K GT-782 too expensive?

Those Epson prices seem high (if I am to believe RipPro), but we haven't done a back-to-back comparison, and maybe we're using different resolution settings. Also, I guess you have to factor in the cost of the direct to garment printer (Brother>>Epson), as well as larger/smaller bottles of ink. I suppose the pre-treatment is a wash.

Volume, volume, volume, eh?

Thanks for the analysis. That's very good information.
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Default Re: At $3/shirt, isn't a $55K GT-782 too expensive?

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Taken from my diary post turns out it is soemtimes way more than twice as much.

Ok here are some examples of the same file printed at the same size on the 782 as well as my Epson based DTG with Dupont bagged inks at Belquette liter pricing. Print was done on green shirt with black ink. Brother white settings of 3,1. Epson white ink layer slider set at default of 50 in RIP, and ink output levels of 100 on all three white channels, and all cmyk channels.

Great Dane Graphics exploding baseball design @ 12x12 90%+ coverage:

Epson - 9.02ml of white ink @ .28 per ml = $2.52 1.55ml of cmyk @.28ml = $0.43 Total = $2.95

Brother - 4.19ml of white ink @ .45 per ml = $1.88 .78ml of cmyk @.60ml = $0.47 Total = $2.66

Hmmmmm rather interesting. The dupont ink is much cheaper, but uses waaaay more. Once we factor in waste however, the Brother becomes more expensive.

The Negative Camber car design was provided by Graphic Disorder A big thanks to them for allowing me to share this.

This file was printed @ 12"x14" on a black shirt, with no black ink from either printer. Same settings as previous example.

Epson - white ink 5.87ml or $1.64 cmyk ink 1.86ml or $0.52 Total = $2.16

Brother - white ink 2.31ml or $1.04 cmyk ink .35ml or $0.21 Total = $1.25

The big difference in the Brother CMYK price is its use of the white in low volume to create the grays, were the Epson mixes CMYK to accomplish the greys.
At what resolution were the Epson based prints printed at?
 
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Where does that number come from? Cafe Press uses Epson direct to garment printing systems.
Yes, they use the mod 1 printers and since they are undoubtedly the largest print on demand company their ink volumes reflects the cost per liter, as any high demand user would expect.
They know exactly what it cost's them on every platform and the numbers work for them.
 
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At what resolution were the Epson based prints printed at?
I,m wondering if most of the posted numbers are just a general reference comparison between the different brand machines? epson/other brands.. one would think the older epson based 2200 machines and there larger printhead drop size capability would differ from newer models? along with the different rip manufacturer software, to me it would be hard to clasify all the epson brand printers to one standard of ink cost based on these variables?

I use the same software as the anajet, so it has 3 different drop size settings and 6 different ink level settings!! also you can use a gradient white background or a solid white background (excuse me if i do not get the terminology correct im very new to the process) would software not play into the ink cost equation along with some epson printers being able to lay down the white with great coverage in 720 and others not having this ability?

I would assume other rips have these settings aswell.. would maneuvering these settings not make a difference in the ink cost? ie lower res and gradient settings?

here is a video reference of the ana-sprint i beleive its printing this image in dual 720 guessing by the speed of the print! i would have to guess that a higher ink level and dropsize are needed for the white at this res..

looking at other videos aswell it looks as the mod1 can do this also but returning very fast after the last raster is printed so are you not in reality using the same amount of white ink in a lower res as you would in 14xx? I have not tested this yet maybe some anajet or mod1 users could elaborate on the settings-cost variables? i see the production value in the fast print for sure!! im just looking at getting some cost feed back from someone that has used the newer model epsons 1800 and above over a period of at least a year!! I know the anajet oem ink is more expensive..but it will give me a good average to work off of!! possibly a comparison with the same image different software/printer of the 1800-1900 base model also!!

additionally would a bagged ink save any $ from less evaporation rate? i know i have read here about less head cleans saving money with the bagged!!

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