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[Brother GTX] Best Pretreatment to use with GTX?

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Old January 3rd, 2019 Jan 3, 2019 12:40:13 PM -   #46 (permalink)
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Default Re: Best Pretreatment to use with GTX?

Bummer.


The way Epson's warranty works is that when you call Epson's warranty number you explain your problem, give them the DTG serial number and if your troubles are genuine (not some stupid picky issue) they overnight a parts bundle to your shop.

You get a call from Epson the next day and an Epson trained repair tech will be dispatched to your doorstep within two days. Most of the time that tech will call you for directions and a time update.

When the tech fixes your downed warrantied F2100 (with his own inks and he will then ship any unused parts back to Epson) out the door he goes.

You can also purchase two more years of the same warranty from Epson for your DTG if you so desire.

I will say that my GTX is running as good as new under warranty, I just wished the whole event would have been quicker with less hassle.
 
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Old January 4th, 2019 Jan 4, 2019 8:02:57 AM -   #47 (permalink)
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During your research, did you consider the DTG M2?
 
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During your research, did you consider the DTG M2?
 
 
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During your research, did you consider the DTG M2?
The M2 is a joke of a machine. The print quality and speed are laughable at best. I would look into the Epson or GTX. The M&R M-link X is a great machine too (I also have one of these) It is fast can do a full platen print in about a min. My thing is the quality is not as sharp as GTX or F2000 (or 2100 for that matter). The M2 is prone to breaking down and support is almost non existent.
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The M2 has some desirable features like the white ink management and the ability to print 2 shirts at a time and removable platens. Also the bulk ink which is half price of the the Epson ink. The one thing that worries me about them is the printhead that is made by Epson. What would happen if that printhead was made obsolete by Epson?
 
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Epson DX5 is the most common print head in the industry. A lot of printing machines use that head, not just DTG's. on the top of that, Epson makes a nice profit selling these heads all over the world. Production cost is a few hundred dollars and they are selling them for a lot more. I had a chance to get few of them for $750 a piece in Taiwan from a friend who is in the computer parts business.
 
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Isn’t it true that this printhead was originally designed for a paper printer that Epson no longer makes? I am asking because I don’t know, but do the textile inks have a different viscosity than ink designed for paper printing. I have 2 Epson wide format printers that are 10 years old still running the original printhead. One I had to quit using because of a bearing failure in the carriage for the printhead because the printer is obsolete and the part is not available from Epson. Printhead is still fine. Epson is trying to flood the market with their own DTG printer so the likelihood of them declaring obsolete a printhead used in a competing machine seems to me to be very high. Is it this difference in viscosity that wears out the printhead so fast?
 
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The problem with these DTGs that use modified Epson "paper printer" heads is that they were formulated for certain ink types. The DTG inks running through these paper printer heads eventually breaks down the adhesive and delaminates the head.

Not sure what print head most of these "modified" DTGs actually use (and there are a lot of them out there) but if there are no knock off Chinese print heads available I would assume that some of these companies might need to rethink how they do business.
 
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I went to SGIA in Vegas and they formally announced that the DX5 printhead is dead. Epson is no longer making them whatever heads are out there is it. They will be offering no more support on these printheads. And these printheads are in many different textile printers.
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Hey guys!

Been using the forum as a great resource for research. We've done alot of garment manufacturing, but are new to DTG printing.

We are acquiring a brother GTX & Viper XPT-1000 later this month. For one of our apparel lines.

I wanted to know for those with the GTX printer, what pretreatment do you guys use that gives the cost efficiency & quality?

Also do you guys typically pretreat a bunch before hand? If so how long can we have them sitting pretreated?

Also if you guys have any tips for newbies, they would be very much appreciated

Thanks so much!


I let them sit up to three weeks with no print quality issues.
 
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Do anyone here know where I can purchase the firebird pretreat in store ( Los Angeles, CA) I need on Monday and if I purchase via online places even overnight I won't be able to fulfill my order. ( I have brother PT and IA - but they are both staining the grey shirt)
 
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Default Re: Best Pretreatment to use with GTX?

Bit late to the party here. I used brother pre-treat when my machine was new and switched to firebird, but it was a mess. Left an oily resude around everything in the shop.

I just discovered the Image Armor Ultimate pre-treat and it has been amazing. By far the best white prints of any pre-treat I have tried before and I only get discoloration on sand and mustard colored shirts for whatever reason. (leaves almost a magenta halo around the prints)

Only downside with Image Armor so far is now instead of an oil resude on everything in the shop I am getting a white dusty residue on everything in the shop. I had to move my pre-treat operation to a designated area to try to contain the buildup on everything anytime we have a lot of pre-treats to get done.
 
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The problem with these DTGs that use modified Epson "paper printer" heads is that they were formulated for certain ink types. The DTG inks running through these paper printer heads eventually breaks down the adhesive and delaminates the head.
This totally false! DTG inks are water-based and have no corrosive ingredients. Epson printers are often used (unmodified) with many types of water-based inks. Eatable ink, ceramic ink, sublimation ink... you name it. Clogging due to inadequate maintenance is what people should be worried about, and it is common.



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I went to SGIA in Vegas and they formally announced that the DX5 printhead is dead. Epson is no longer making them whatever heads are out there is it. They will be offering no more support on these printheads. And these printheads are in many different textile printers.
Most DTG conversions use the DX7 printheads which are still in production and used in current Epson printers. Also a DX5 to DX7 converter costs around $30.


As for the pretreatment... My initial post (first page) is still valid.
 
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This totally false! DTG inks are water-based and have no corrosive ingredients. Epson printers are often used (unmodified) with many types of water-based inks. Eatable ink, ceramic ink, sublimation ink... you name it. Clogging due to inadequate maintenance is what people should be worried about, and it is common.
DTG inks have more than just water and pigment in them. I heard this directly from Epson brass so I'm sticking to what I said. You believe what you wanna believe.
 
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DTG inks have more than just water and pigment in them. I heard this directly from Epson brass so I'm sticking to what I said. You believe what you wanna believe.
Well... DTG ink manufacturers say otherwise, and I believe what I see. I've replaced two DX7 printheads so far... One had done around 15,000 prints and the other around 20,000. Maybe you should try it .


Anyway... This thread is supposed to be about pretreatment.
 






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