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[Flexi-Jet Model L] Flexi Jet L VS NEOFlex Confused

 
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Old September 20th, 2009 Sep 20, 2009 1:36:18 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Flexi Jet L VS NEOFlex Confused

Im looking at the Balquette site for the DTG printers and im totally confused about the difference btw Neo Flex and Flexi in terms of whats better for "textile" t shirt printing. The process, the print area, the inks are all same. One is market as "one investment for many markets" but i been printing with Flexi on same materials they advertise Neo Prints on. But Neo is 3k cheaper... does that mean Flexi is better quality? Can anyone who owns enlighten me?
 
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Old September 21st, 2009 Sep 21, 2009 10:32:47 AM -   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Flexi Jet L VS NEOFlex Confused

OK. I have to be very diplomatic to explain in smoothest way.
All American was Flexi exclusive dealer before. Due to disagreement between Belquette and us it was ended by Feb 2009. For more details check our web site. Cheaper is not because of quality because of there are no middle man.
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Old September 21st, 2009 Sep 21, 2009 10:38:16 AM -   #3 (permalink)
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Well me being one of the first Flexi-Jet owners and you saying that you currently own and use a Flexi-Jet I can say that you own and use an original piece of equipment and not a copy of like the Neo-Flex is (and YES I have seen it). It may be based on an Epson 4880 but still a copy of BelQuetts technology and the idea of switching heads were made by Flexi users long ago. You say it is $3,000.00 cheaper; well it may be on which day you catch them. There are many copies of different types of equipment/electronics (All done overseas) BUT the originals always seem to work the best and in the long run give you your monies worth and along with the proper support which will far surpass the so called savings.
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Default Re: Flexi Jet L VS NEOFlex Confused

Yes. my flexi jet dates 3 years ago... (It the original THank you Dan as you have helped me before... BUt i did buy this Flexi from Peter....

There seem to be too many websites that bring the confusion on product. I understand that theres some politics involved, but as a customer it makes it very difficult to decide. balquette websites and online store is not user friendly at all (http://www.belquette.com/flexijetprinter.html) without the detailed info, and honestly looking very poorly, i dont get much confidence in their abilities. And if the distibutors split, why is the Flexi still offered by All American too? (DTG / Direct To Garment - Equipment) and theres yet another AllAmerican online store (NeoFlex Solvent to Textile Printer)

My point is, as a customer who do i trust to get the quality equipment, with the proper warranty and support? where/from who do i buy the printer???

And now that Dan introduced the idea that Neo Flex is a "copy" it creates another dilemma....

Help! i need to figure out the next step for my business expansion and it obviously strongly relies on the equipment i will invest on.
 
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Flexi still offered by All American too?
Have you ever hear of a "Bait & Switch" ?
The only one selling New Flexi-Jets currently is BelQuette and if you have trouble with anyones web page just pick up the telephone and call them , as far as support just read on the forums or ask other users as to where the support comes from.
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Old September 21st, 2009 Sep 21, 2009 1:52:24 PM -   #6 (permalink)
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balquette websites and online store is not user friendly at all (http://www.belquette.com/flexijetprinter.html) without the detailed info, and honestly looking very poorly, i dont get much confidence in their abilities.
That is our old website, try https://www.belquettedirect.com/


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Default Re: Flexi Jet L VS NEOFlex Confused

I like this thread.

Copy: German made car first or USA? Who has best car now? Japan? Because of every one have 4 wheels they all copied? The key is how they arrange to move and how safe and who has more A/S is the KEY. I like the concept of Head moving for more production than bed moving which has been used by so many Flat bed printer for ages (go to Print show you will see so many out there, they all copy Belquette or vise verse? They were exist way before BQ started). Maybe Belquette copy theirs?
NeoFlex is moving totally different way than Flexi. (Step motor + slide rail vs Servo + Liner bearing) Electronic arrangement is 100% different. Nobody cannot copy their firmware which in MOST important on hardware. If some one says it is copy, I'd like to see his d----a. I upgrade so many area on NeoFlex vs any other printers. we have 100% user satisfaction rate now. Watch my video then you can tell the differences.
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Watch my video then you can tell the differences.
the video is great! good job guys!
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Default Re: Flexi Jet L VS NEOFlex Confused

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NeoFlex is moving totally different way than Flexi. (Step motor + slide rail vs Servo + Liner bearing)
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The Flexi uses a 3 phase brushless servo motor as the main drive.
 
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3 phase brushless servo motor as the main drive.
what does that do for the print? quality? etc. sorry not that technical
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Old September 21st, 2009 Sep 21, 2009 3:54:36 PM -   #11 (permalink)
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what does that do for the print? quality? etc. sorry not that technical
Sorry, I'm not a salesmen, but I will explain.

The reason this was chosen was to ensure smooth movement without what is referred to as cogging that can be introduced with dc motors that uses an armature.
Cogging torque is an undesirable component for the operation of such a motor. It is especially prominent at lower speeds, (small moves as required by the printer) with the symptom of jerkiness.

So, yes it aids in print quality and longevity of the mechanical components.

FYI the newer mod series use a similar technology that moves the bed rather then the head allowing for greater productivity.
Because the weight of the platen is many times lighter it can accelerate and reverse very quickly and most importantly safely.
Moving a 70 lb head any faster than the Flexi already does can become a hazard in the workplace.

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what does that do for the print? quality? etc. sorry not that technical
Good question. Servo accuracy (turn = distance = good registration. you can print many shirts at one pass dark or light without off registration) is much better than Step motor. Servo is much more powerful than step motor when supplied with same electric source. If Flexi have powerful servo motor now it is good news. It should eliminate many error codes.
Then Flexi does not need to give play on front shaft holding hinge to always loosen it to fit in. Slide Rail waste so much motor energy to push and pull Printer (60 plus minus lbs all day long?) instead of using liner bearing. These are why Servo is much better than others.I did my best to answer your question.
Since you own Flexi you will understand better than anybody.
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Sorry, I'm not a salesmen, but I will explain.

symptom of jerkiness.

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NeoFlex controlled jerkiness 100% which we could not with Flexi. I will show you at SGIA. Show you perfect registration. Print 3 dark all day long with out off registration. Show you perfect flatten bed. Show you No static. Wires/usb code will never catch anything below cover all are in track. Used thicker shaft. Somehow armature master the jerk? jerk what? Who is armature? you or me? Because of cannot control jerkiness used slide rail is armature, i guess.
Good luck with mod. But still a desk top model ($400) you always sing when we sell Flexi together. Remember that song we sang together? Desk top vs Pro printer ($2000) and we scored around 300?
Why DTG come up with Viper? any good answer other than they are Armature. Because they found out that we were right not using desk top Epson as an engine.
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Default Re: Flexi Jet L VS NEOFlex Confused

Gentlemen, (distributors, manufacturers sales people, etc) Thank you all for the input... Are there any USERS who use Neo Flex for your business and printing here? Please share your opinion on functions, quality, etc...

Thank you again
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So Peter are you saying that it was your goal was to take the Flexi and improve on it and you did this by making the Neo-Flex
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