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[Flexi-Jet Model L] Flexi Jet L VS NEOFlex Confused

 
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Old September 23rd, 2009 Sep 23, 2009 7:37:50 AM -   #31 (permalink)
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Default Re: Flexi Jet L VS NEOFlex Confused

Flexijet Picture. Motor control/firmware board. Flexjet $600. Wiring? This is one of the reason why Flexi has Static problem. I jumped so many times. Pay attention for left side image. draging VS Tracked. Shaft difference
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NeoFlex. motor controler and wire arrangement.
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Old September 23rd, 2009 Sep 23, 2009 8:22:32 AM -   #33 (permalink)
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Old September 23rd, 2009 Sep 23, 2009 10:33:15 AM -   #34 (permalink)
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thats a a matter of opinion. looks, maybe, but still not that user friendly and lacks information and content.
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As per the original poster's discussion, now that the distributors have chimed in (and had a little back and forth), let's please swing this thread back to the "users" input on the machines
Will do more search.... BUT this was very enlightening, and i think such discussion needed to be made public in one way or the other. As a customer, user i thought its important to have both parties state their case and everyone can make their own judgment and decision and move on as they choose. but without knowing the details its hard to make a proper decision for further investment, unless of coarse you got 20K laying around to spend on a new printer, just to play with it...

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thats a a matter of opinion. looks, maybe, but still not that user friendly and lacks information and content.
Yeah... Right after I posted that, I dove a little deeper into the site; had trouble finding much information, a lot of broken links, etc. I didn't wanna come right back and change my post. haha. But it does look a lot better than the last one! It looks like the move was recent, so I am sure they just have to tidy up, some more.
 
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I understand there will be problems with machines. I understand there are going to be differences between these 2 machines. I've been to a couple shows with the FlexiJet prior to my termination and I've talked with many people since. I can say, I have NEVER heard of any static issues with the FlexiJet, EVER. At least until DDM began selling the NeoFlex. Even when I had a machine at a show in Ohio, static was never a problem.

If the FlexiJet had static problems and Peter had to hide that fact, then why sell the FlexiJet to unsuspecting customers? Peter, either you are being dishonest now, or you were being dishonest when selling the FlexiJet. Either way, dishonesty will always come back to bite you in the end.

Obviously there are issues here that really don't need dealt with on an open forum. I understand people are wanting information between the FlexiJet and the NeoFlex. I would simply put more stock in user testimonies than bias opinions from manufacturers/dealers.
 
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I can say, I have NEVER heard of any static issues with the FlexiJet, EVER. At least until DDM began selling the NeoFlex. Even when I had a machine at a show in Ohio, static was never a problem.
I have a flexi for 3 years and have had static problems way too many times i can count, many times shutting down of printer due to static and during a print...
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I do have to say, that I have seen several flexi owners have static problems. There was much talk about grounding the machine? I do remember this.
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Of course, since I've never seen it, that didn't mean it didn't happen.

This of course takes me back to my original statement of dishonesty in selling. If Peter KNEW there was a static problem and HID it during shows, that is a very dishonest tactic. There was more care for a sale, than the end user.

This is why I think when manufacturers/resellers cut on each other's products, there is not a real sense of honest information given. It's better for the end users to discuss, since they are the ones dealing with the printers and wanting solutions to problems or assisting others with the running of their machines.
 
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Of course, since I've never seen it, that didn't mean it didn't happen.

This of course takes me back to my original statement of dishonesty in selling. If Peter KNEW there was a static problem and HID it during shows, that is a very dishonest tactic. There was more care for a sale, than the end user.

This is why I think when manufacturers/resellers cut on each other's products, there is not a real sense of honest information given. It's better for the end users to discuss, since they are the ones dealing with the printers and wanting solutions to problems or assisting others with the running of their machines.

I totally agree with this statement. When I bought my machine I researched user information, because of course the distributors want to sell their machines, but the owners of the machines can give real world experience
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I do have to say, that I have seen several flexi owners have static problems. There was much talk about grounding the machine? I do remember this.
I believe I had posted quite some time back, about how my printer would receive a static shock as someone walked by, and would immediately begin printing a big, black mess; backwards.... Yes, the machine would move BACKWARDS, while printing. At one point, my employees had to stand on anti-static mats, with various wires running from their bodies to ground them to the machine, the ground, a screw on the outlet cover, etc... They still had issues, especially during certain weather conditions.

... You can imagine why I would question everything, years later; I learned my lesson in business - you can't make important buying decisions, based on how much you like the people involved. They actually do need to live up to the hype, or you will suffer. Despite what many would claim, I do try to be as impartial as possible, in regards to various machines. All of us here, on this forum, rely on the technology to survive and thrive; in the end, only the end users can hold the manufacturers accountable to high standards and fair practices.

As always, I would point out that were to I ever be fully convinced that things are different at Belquette, and they truly have achieved a printer that is superior to previous industry models, I would certainly put it to steady use. In the meantime, I would like to see conversations like this continue (in a civil manner, of course), allowing us to truly put products under the spotlight and see them side-by-side with other products. Interestingly enough, my first introduction to the Flexi-Jet (in person), was in Florida at a major trade show; some of the would-be distributors at the time (lot's of drama, there; read posts from a few years ago) met in a hotel room near the convention center, and showed off various prints that had come off of it. I recall being showed a video, at some point during the process, of a competitor's DTG printer, fully disassembled; they used this video to educate me, the uninformed customer, about the differences between a "hobby" unit and a "production" unit. Years later, the Flexi-Jet is being analyzed in the same fashion, and the industry continues to move forward in the face of direct competition; I love America! Things seem to have come full circle, and I am sure that companies will continue to show us why their products may or may not be superior to others.

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If the FlexiJet had static problems and Peter had to hide that fact, then why sell the FlexiJet to unsuspecting customers? Peter, either you are being dishonest now, or you were being dishonest when selling the FlexiJet. Either way, dishonesty will always come back to bite you in the end.
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Jerid, It has been on the forum all the time. I ask Belquette to repair this night and day. Brett come up with Aluminium tape on plastic panels like home made patch and grounding advise. Dan know this in and out. I never been dis-honest. Now we have to think about accuser's honesty. What is your intention? Ask Dan, mistywood, Justin ---all. you were not this much involve one point. Please do not accuse me with no evidence. Thank you.
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I understand there will be problems with machines. I understand there are going to be differences between these 2 machines. I've been to a couple shows with the FlexiJet prior to my termination and I've talked with many people since. I can say, I have NEVER heard of any static issues with the FlexiJet, EVER. At least until DDM began selling the NeoFlex. Even when I had a machine at a show in Ohio, static was never a problem.
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This is one of the many reasons NeoFlex born on top of Court issue. Belquette Never hear users and me to crying for change. Instead they were so busy with i180 and Mod. Understanding me now?
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Peter, I was referring to a post you had made a while ago (and since has been deleted) where you stated you had some anti-static device hidden so no one could see it in your booth. I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything, I was simply stating what you had said yourself.
 






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