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Old July 9th, 2008 Jul 9, 2008 5:07:39 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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does anyone have any experience building a custom white for their darks and colred shirts, I have a flexi-jet and use the power rip software and the auto mask white is just too generic for some things I want to do, I would like to build a custom white similar to screenprinting simulated process but am not sure how to send this white channel to the printer and then the colors , should I send two seperate pages ?
 
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the auto mask white is just too generic for some things I want to do
Just what are you trying to do that the above is not working for you?
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something like this
<a href="barrvolleyball1.jpg - Image - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting" target="_blank"><img src="http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r...olleyball1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
 
 
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Default Re: custom white backer / spot white channel

I take it the design is going on to a black shirt. If so, I would use Color Layer Auto Mask (Black Background) and just the send the file to the RIP with the black background there. That should do it. Maybe you can post a picture of what the white layer preview in the RIP looks like to help us better understand what your problem is.
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Yes you can get a result like your link using the Black Backgound feature, give it a try and report back
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thanks I'll give it a try, I was under the impression that the rip couldn't do a white fade
 
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Hi Dave,

It sounds like you know a bit about creating your own underbases for screen printing on darks using false process. Assuming that is true, I would suggest you create your own underbase, exacly as you would like it, convert it to black (instead of white), do the same for any highlight white you may want then use the following steps: (Fred jump in here if I miss something!)
I'll assume you are using Photoshop

1. Turn off all layers except the underbase layer and print it with the White Mask Layer (Soft) - make sure to select the proper White INk Resolution
2. Turn off all layers but the Highlight (Alpha channel) and print with the Highlight Layer setting
3. Turn off all layers except the color layer and print with the Color Layer setting.

All of these three will merge in the RIP and create two print files - the underbase you created will be one and the color layer plus your highlight will be number two.

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Default Re: custom white backer / spot white channel

now thats what I'm talking about...thanks
 
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1. Turn off all layers except the underbase layer and print it with the White Mask Layer (Soft) - make sure to select the proper White INk Resolution
2. Turn off all layers but the Highlight (Alpha channel) and print with the Highlight Layer setting
3. Turn off all layers except the color layer and print with the Color Layer setting.

All of these three will merge in the RIP and create two print files - the underbase you created will be one and the color layer plus your highlight will be number two.

Or just use the Black Backgroung feature, a couple of clicks and you are done
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Or just use the Black Backgroung feature, a couple of clicks and you are done
No doubt that this would do a good job, but most good screenprint artist can do a better job at underbasing than even the best RIPs will (sorry Fred). There is more to it than just math, which is all that a RIP can reproduce. Several of our more experienced screen printers generate their own underbases and highlights all the time!
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Default Re: custom white backer / spot white channel

Well I could be one of those screenprinters (22 years now) BUT the RIP for me works faster and just fine, I am kind of picky also
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Old July 9th, 2008 Jul 9, 2008 1:50:38 PM -   #12 (permalink)
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Default Re: custom white backer / spot white channel

The white-generation algorithms are indeed very powerful. They have been refined over the years to handle just about everything you throw at them

... however...

In the case of experienced artists who like to define their own layers, I recommend the manual method (the one Don described) for printing. It takes a couple of extra steps but it gives 100% control to those who want it.

When I do artwork for myself, I use the auto-white [Color Layer Auto-Mask (Black Bkgnd) to be specific] but I wouldn't, for example, expect Dane Clements (Great Dane Graphics) to do that. He's a great artist and defines exactly what he wants where.

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