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[MOD-1 DTG] Print not holding up after one wash

 
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Old June 6th, 2011 Jun 6, 2011 11:51:10 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Print not holding up after one wash

This print started coming off the shirt after one wash from the customer. Not sure how the customer washed it. Since we are new to printing with white ink, I was wondering if anyone had this problem before and how they corrected it. Our process on these shirts is:
30 sec heat press @ 356F
spray 1 layer pre-treat-roll with sponge
spray 2 layer pre-treat-roll with sponge
heat press 35 sec @ 356F
print
hover 1 minute (we don't have a hover press yet so I feel we are not getting very close to the shirt)
press w/ light pressure & silicone paper for 2 minute @350 @ 1 minute intervals



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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

Try curing for closer to 3 - 4 minutes.

Also make sure it isn't washed in hot water.
 
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

My guess is it's more in the way you are pretreating. I personally use 100% pretreat with a Wagner gun spraying in one direction with moderate speed. It's coated and it works well. I don't use the roller, I know some do, but time is money and I think it takes too much time to do.
 
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

Do you think I should lower the temp if I cure it for longer?
Sometimes the prints get this "cracked" looked after the 2 minutes.
 
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

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My guess is it's more in the way you are pretreating. I personally use 100% pretreat with a Wagner gun spraying in one direction with moderate speed. It's coated and it works well. I don't use the roller, I know some do, but time is money and I think it takes too much time to do.
Can you use too much pre-treat?
With the Wagner do you do one pass?
 
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

I think it is definately to much PT.
 
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

I agree with Marc....
 
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

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I think it is definately to much PT.
We are, for now, using a hand-held spray bottle.
 
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

If it's a plastic bottle, too many times they are too inconsistent. My advise would be to go to Home Depot or Lowe's and purchase a wagner spray gun with a dual tip. $60-$80 with consistent spraying. When you are finished, run water through it and you are set....
 
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

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If it's a plastic bottle, too many times they are too inconsistent. My advise would be to go to Home Depot or Lowe's and purchase a wagner spray gun with a dual tip. $60-$80 with consistent spraying. When you are finished, run water through it and you are set....
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Do you think my curing times/temps are good?
I think I'll try different times/temps and give them a wash.
 
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

What brand of shirts are you using?
 
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

I think the times are good, although I don't think you need to hover for 1 minute, 20-30 seconds should be fine. And yes, Kevin has a good question....
 
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

I agree with Marc and Jerid's thought process. In my experience, if large pieces of white underbase are coming off the shirt... the issue is too much pretreat fluid that created a blocker to prevent the binders in the white ink from adhering to the garment. If the color ink comes off and the white ink stays, then I would say that it is an issue of curing the ink process.

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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

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What brand of shirts are you using?
These were on Gildan ultra cotton.
 
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

Spray bottles work fine. Check this out:

 






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