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[MOD-1 DTG] Print not holding up after one wash

 
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Old June 6th, 2011 Jun 6, 2011 1:02:54 PM -   #16 (permalink)
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

I agree they work fine, but IMO (take it for what it's worth), you will get a much more consistent result with less time invested with a spray gun.
 
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Old June 6th, 2011 Jun 6, 2011 1:18:32 PM -   #17 (permalink)
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

Gildan shouldn't be a problem. I would back off on the pretreatment.

I did a series of testing recently with different shirts from different manufacturers for use as our sample shirts.

All of the shirts were pretreated using our pretreat machine that is in development, and the printing and curing were all the same using the same settings/production run.

This image shows a Canvas brand organic tee on the right and a Hyp brand shirt on the left. Both were about the same weight shirt and again both were treated the same way all through testing. The one on the left exhibits the same washability as a shirt that has too much pretreatment applied.

I guess some shirts are different/better, and it looked the same way.

Were all of the shirts in the production run the same way after washing?
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

Great test Kevin! Thanks for sharing the results.

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Old June 6th, 2011 Jun 6, 2011 1:39:37 PM -   #19 (permalink)
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

I can tell you that even the same brand/color/model of shirt will wash differently if they are produced in different countries. The different sizing chemicals affect the pre treatment.
 
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

Not to get too far off topic, but here is the article that showed up in the April 2011 edition of Printwear Magazine about doing a wash test and what should be recorded. You will see the point Marc made about Country of Origin and how that can change things.

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Old June 6th, 2011 Jun 6, 2011 2:41:41 PM -   #21 (permalink)
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

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Were all of the shirts in the production run the same way after washing?
This was a question to you, Betty. lol
 
Old June 7th, 2011 Jun 7, 2011 11:48:08 AM -   #22 (permalink)
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

Marc knows his stuff. Look at how little pretreat it actually takes. In my experience, it's a matter of getting that visual que on what the right amount is enough and creating a process that works for you (counting, timing and comparing) to achieve that "que". I find that during the dry part of the year, the water really helps. I believe that it's breaking the surface tension of the droplets and not have them "pop" and be sucked into a very dry shirt.

Personally I do use the wagner, but I did start out with the water bottle. I did not like the fact that I could not find a hi quality one(no spitting) that would last.
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Old June 7th, 2011 Jun 7, 2011 12:10:57 PM -   #23 (permalink)
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

Hi Everybody,
First kevin, yes, they were all run the same way and looked the same way after washing.
second, I picked up a wagner power painter plus w.a dual tip. Having a hard time finding the correct spray setting. It has a 1 and 2 setting and flow knob. Anybody have this sprayer?
Trying to get some test prints done to wash.
Thanks to ALL for everyone's help and always quick replies.
 
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

Hey Marc @ Printzilla, Is that a dry sponge you are using in your video?
 
Old June 7th, 2011 Jun 7, 2011 12:27:27 PM -   #25 (permalink)
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

[email protected]Printzilla.
I'm watching the video and I think it's jumping ahead at one point.
Do you do a mist of water after the pretreat?
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

Yes.....and Yes......

Make sure your wagner is a HVLP or you will have a hard time controlling the spray pattern and volume. Although they really are not necessary.
 
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Old June 24th, 2011 Jun 24, 2011 7:44:13 AM -   #27 (permalink)
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

Kevin, did you use 50/50 pre-treatment with the machine or 100%? We use 50/50 and give the shirt a really good coat so it's almost to the point of being wet.
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Old June 24th, 2011 Jun 24, 2011 11:14:50 AM -   #28 (permalink)
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

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Kevin, did you use 50/50 pre-treatment with the machine or 100%? We use 50/50 and give the shirt a really good coat so it's almost to the point of being wet.
50/50 TreatsRite Pretreatment cut with distilled water in our pretreatment machine and in the Wagner gun.

I use the same amount...almost wet...but then, I like to let the shirt air-dry (or use the Hover Press to dry the shirt if I'm in a rush. I use a Teflon "bra" on the iron of the Hover Press and clean it with a rag wet with distilled water because the pretreatment will evaporate off of the shirt and adhere to the bra causing little specks of dried pretreat to appear in the printable area). After the shirt is dry, they can be stored and pressed with heavy pressure for 10-15 seconds right before printing. This will lay the fibers of the shirt flat and give you a smooth surface to print on.

Doing it this way doesn't give you as much of a visible "square" where the pretreatment is. Also, by cutting the pretreatment, the "window" of between too much or too little pretreatment is much broader.
 
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

Hi,

I use a low nap paint roller, make sure you go with the nap of the shirt (one direction). Heat set at about 340 (heavy pressure) for about 45 seconds or until steam has stopped.
White Ink Printing: hover heat press for 10 seconds to set inks then heat set 340 for 140 seconds.
White Shirts: Temp at 360, medium pressure and about 25 seconds.
Use unbleached paper over the garment to prevent contamination.
Don't use "teflon" sheets - the ink transfers to the teflon.
 
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Default Re: Print not holding up after one wash

Betty,

Has anything discussed here helped you with washability?
 






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