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[Anajet] Help!Dull and faded colors on white Shirt

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Old February 23rd, 2019 Feb 23, 2019 3:47:51 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Help!Dull and faded colors on white Shirt

Hello! I'm new here!

I'm want to buy a DTG printer ether Ricoh or Epson and I'm planing to start with selling white shirts only first.

I order a sample shirt with my design from Ricoh printer and not happy with colors. Shirt looks like it have been washed 100th times, colors really dull, and not all of them correct (comparing my original design and shirt, the outer circle suppose to be purple and not pink). I will attach:

- my original design
- photo of sample shirt with regular sharpie markers , so you can see how faded are colors


The image was done in Photoshop, CMYK, in full opacity and 300 dpi.


So my question is what was wrong? Why are they so faded? is it a printer ink or is it somehow mistake in my design? And what can I do to fix it?


And there is one more question... I will attach another photo with red arrows.

You can see straight horizontal lines in blue aria and on black palm trees.

What went wrong there?
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Old February 23rd, 2019 Feb 23, 2019 7:38:01 PM -   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Help!Dull and faded colors on white Shirt

I received a sample print from ricoh with the RI1000 and wasn't impressed either. Im assuming the lines are from a fast print low quality. As far as the washed out look, I doubt that they pretreated the shirt as well so that's a double bad print lol.
 
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Default Re: Help!Dull and faded colors on white Shirt

Thank you for reply!

It look to me that they use special already pretrited for DTG shirts.



Can you tell me if you get any other samples from other printers? and if you like the result?


I want to order another samples form Epson, but kind of nervous if it will be same faded look.

May be i have to fix my design somehow? or just ask for color pallet first?


Thank you!
 
 
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No problem 😉
The only shirts that are already pretreated are RTP shirts. The sample they sent me was on a black shirt and was a spectra Tee so that’s why I asked. Also I have seen the difference in color with and without pretreat on whites and it’s kind of a big deal especially with red and other rich colors. You would think they came from 2 different printers. I was supposed to receive a second sample after I told them it ranked last on the list, now it’s a little over a week from when I was supposed to get it and still nothing. I take people for their word so when you don’t deliver or follow up, I’m done because that’s how I see our future relationship. Now as far as other samples, I went to the trade shows to get samples. For my prints it ranked GTX - Epson - Omniprint - Polyprint - Ricoh ( only one who couldn’t print on the spot).

GTX was the fastest best print reproduction and best feel. With the camera system, the item didn’t have to be the size of the platen you just lay it on there and beat of all no hoops,no pucks, just load it. It printed well over seams without needing risers like the other brands. It’s the most expensive at 22,500 but ink is cheaper than Epson. It’s ment for a high production area because otherwise the ink it uses to clean itself will drain in the tube and your pockets you youbdont have the business. I was quoted $80 a month in Maint costs. The software ranked second for looks and ease of use

Epson print came out well and had a nice feel. It was the second fastest falling about 30 secs behind the brothe but speed is still good. You have to buy a platen for each size and risers if you offer multiple items. Ink is the most expensive (you would think they would kill the market not charging so damn much for ink). 600 ml $217 x 6 carts, cleaning solution is affordable at $20 a cart. This printer seems to be the best for high production and for occasional users with its maint. I took the time to read all the manuals for anajet and brother and both say to leave them on so they can do the maint. And squirt ink down the drain. If you don’t, your print head could clog. Sounds like a out of warranty statement to me if you don’t do that. Epson says you can turn it off end of day which means you don’t have to waste that ink. You can leave it like that for 2 weeks so it’s a savings but that’s why they gouge you on the ink lol. They also have a fabric wiper that’s $100 that you change every 1500 prints or so I was told. The program was #1 over others because of the ease of use the layout and the ability to itemize all parts that went into production to get a final cost. Just click the buttons and done. Ink, shirt, PT, ect allows you to always be aware of your costs. Only thing I didn’t like was they misquoted the GTX price at $27,500 and the warranty only covers one print head that was a bit of a deterrent because we all know they are competing so when you get a false claim, you start to wonder what else is false about what they say? Study your competition and be better. Epson seems to have a solid warranty, it’s equal brother and anajet/Ricoh but I would trust in Epson to get in and out the fastest no strings or hoops to jump thru.

Omniprint was good and I’ve looked at them for a few years. The print was nice print time came in 3rd. They have the smallest width to print on. The bigges sale for them is wet capping which was before the GTX to reduce clogs. Epson downplays wet capping but they all pretty much do the same thing outing liquid in the capping station and draining to keep lines clean. The bad thing about this printer is it’s inbetween the Epson and the brother in price.... how can you charge that much for a repurposed printer? IMO they should never cost more than the other brands as those are cheaper printers that you modified. It works great and I don’t bash repurposed printers but I just think they shouldn’t cost anywhere near the purposed builts. Also the print head is an Epson so you know Epson can’t wait to discontinue that model then all third parties double or triple the rate for a print head. They were helpful at the show but my years of reviews show that their customer service after the sale sucks. Plus with that high cost you don’t even get to your door maintenance or training. Other than ink costs.... the value isn’t there.(imo)

Polyprint has the longest print time. The results weren’t good the salesman looked like he never printed a day in his life so way to much white and it started puddling. I give that to user error. The up thing they had is a printer called the shortee that was like 10k which is an easier intro for new owners. Although you will still have the repurposed printer, they were running image armor ink which is $125 a liter brother and Epson are more than double that at $300+ a liter. I understand, maybe, it’s better ink.... but come on not 250% the cost be real. I didn’t get to really see the software but it looked like an old school program like the Omniprint. I’m just not fond of print driver WIN95 looking RIPs

Ricoh anajet was the only ones not prepared with a laptop so they could only print what they had. Salesman was nice and to the point. Until late I gave him a text with some questions in about a 4th grade comprehension level and he said he didn’t understand. He asked if he could call me tomorrow I said yes but got a call 2 1/2 days later (didn’t like that, rather he say he was busy than say he didn’t understand). Had about an hr convo and I read the basic questions that I sent in the text and he answered. He gave me a flyer and quoted the savings in ink over competitors at $199 per litter. Wellll... 220ml is $61 sooooo either my 4th grade math sucks or.... hmmmm someone help me out on total cost per liter 🙂. Granted my math still show cheaper but not what was told to me and others... I don’t like false info so just like with the Epson I always remember. The machine has auto maint and auto cleans between 4-12 hours also has a clean setting between a certain amount of dark prints and for lights. Depending on how many cleans and how much ink is wasted maybe that ink savings ends up costing the same. AnaRIP software gets 3rd as far as looks and ease of use. I don’t like that you have to click a create white layer button when you should just have them set up like Epson does and pic what you are printing so u don’t have a I forgot moment.
 
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Default Re: Help!Dull and faded colors on white Shirt

Thank you so much! It's realy detail and helpful!


The picture of shirt I attached is actually RTP shirts and still really faded looking.


Do you think it's because of printer OR is it my mistake?

May be my settings were wrong? if yes I want to fix it and ask Epson for sample shirt too...
 
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Default Re: Help!Dull and faded colors on white Shirt

If it was a pretreated shirt, then it could definitely be your settings. The quality you choose can make it look like the output came from 2 different printers. Just as an update, I was supposed to be sent a second make up sample from anajet because the first didn't come out so good. This was supposed to be sent out on the 15th... its the 25th no sample no call so that equals - no business. Maybe you will have better luck with them.
 
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Default Re: Help!Dull and faded colors on white Shirt

I think your file should be in rgb format and not cmyk. Although it sounds odd as the printer uses cmyk, I was told to always use rgb and the rip software will sort it out for the printer.
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Old February 26th, 2019 Feb 26, 2019 5:17:47 AM -   #8 (permalink)
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I actually ask them about setting for picture and what format it should be. The only thing they said, if I can send it in tiff or I think jpg file. Nobody told me that it have to RBG.

So I did it in tiff format and CMYK. I asked if they images will work, they said yes.


Original JPG file was about 250 MB, so I did smaller size a less quality and zip file so I could send it through email. In the end file was 14 MB, may me this was the reason of bad print? Or may be I shouldn't sent to them image in TIFF format and just use regular jpg?
 
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They told me I can get only 3 sample shirts. So i'm not sure if i can ask for more


After I order them it took about 10 days to receive, and the page was send overnight. So may be your on the way too.


If you will receive it Will be nice to hear your opinion on it?


Thank you for your information!
 
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I’m starting to believe that they don’t know how to print. Anyway, I print rgb in .png with 300 dpi at full size. The fist print the overnighted. The other he told me they were shipping it on Friday and I’m the next state over so it should of been here already. Either way I choose not to deal business. I need to know what I’m getting for my $$ no matter what, if that’s too hard I’ll find someone else. Try all companies is my advise.

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After I order them it took about 10 days to receive, and the page was send overnight. So may be your on the way too.


If you will receive it Will be nice to hear your opinion on it?


Thank you for your information!
 
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Default Re: Help!Dull and faded colors on white Shirt

Thank you for help!

Will check with other companies.
 
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Default Re: Help!Dull and faded colors on white Shirt

just wondering-- it looks like
a. it's on a light grey shirt-- or at least not a true white. that could account for some of the dulling down as the color of the shirt will effect colors.
b. there's banding so it could also be dirty print head or clogs or low ink and no one bothered to do a quality check before sending it out.
c. if no quality check, then they may not have even pressed it to set the inks.
d. OTOH, it may in part be the art. if you sent a file that was artowrk but not adjusted for printing, there may be colors that will not print so the driver prints the closest it can. most printers won't print neons or really bright colors, some won't do well with parts of the purple orange and green color spaces..
if yo still have the sample, heat press half of it (to set inks if they didn't) and then wash it per instructions to see if the non pressed side washes out more than the pressed.

then contact the company and let them know you got a crap print....
 
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Default Re: Help!Dull and faded colors on white Shirt

I had a difficult time printing the same Fuchsia color you were going for. I couldn't get the color vibrant enough no matter how I tweaked it in Anarip. An old coworker suggested that to get he color you want you have to use "neon" ink, but I'm currently using PowerBright Plus ink and we will not stray off brand.

Just for better context, the ink didn't look bright enough while still wet and then once cured - it softened into a lighter pink. I almost got close on the teal shirt, but the client wanted black. Also - I did a lazy edit to the image to not have profanity.
 
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Default Re: Help!Dull and faded colors on white Shirt

Anyone familiar with the Ricoh Ri 1000? Looking for any info on that particular machine.
 






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