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Old July 22nd, 2014 Jul 22, 2014 10:24:44 AM -   #31 (permalink)
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I get stains from both of them !! LIGHT and DARK. I used LIGHT on the silver shirt and DARK on the charcoal

Here attached is both silver and charcoal. The one of the front image with the bleed around is what happened when I put the teflon sheet inside the shirt. It came back through the front. The others are the back side of shirts inside and out.
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Old July 22nd, 2014 Jul 22, 2014 12:15:54 PM -   #32 (permalink)
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Ive seen this issue occur on this color before. Even if you used a tunnel dryer, the grey color will turn a weird peachy salmon color

(i've seen this happen on a shirt that WASNT pretreated with IA)

Heat seems to be the catalyst for the chemical reaction between the pretreat and the fabric dye/finishes.
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Old July 22nd, 2014 Jul 22, 2014 12:19:10 PM -   #33 (permalink)
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If I print with just CMYK it prints and cures with out problems.
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I have lots of issues with asphalt, charcoal, grey colors. For some reason these colors have been the devil of our industry. I have found that threading and hovering the heat press cuts back on MOST the issues. Different brands do it more or less then others too. Heavier weight shirts seem to have less issues with this phenomenon.
 
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If I print with just CMYK it prints and cures with out problems.
Because you are not using pretreat, correct?
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very interesting. it's not just the pretreat, as there is no way you pretreated a perfect oval. so it seems to be partially an ink issue as well. ink + pretreat = bleaching

it's like the dye is bleaching out instead of staining, since the "stained" area would be darker.

i just did a sport grey shirt (Gildan) with IA Light, cmyk only, and there was no staining. i did an athletic heather (LAT) with IA Light, white + cmyk, with no staining. i will try to do a charcoal (Gildan is all i have in that color) and post my result.
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Heather / Athletic Gray never caused me any issues...its just the solid gray/charcoal/asphalt colors. American Apparel, District and a shirt by Otto have all had the least amount of issues.
 
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Old July 22nd, 2014 Jul 22, 2014 7:40:14 PM -   #38 (permalink)
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Because you are not using pretreat, correct?
Yes Correct. That is why I am believing that it is the pretreatment.

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very interesting. it's not just the pretreat, as there is no way you pretreated a perfect oval. so it seems to be partially an ink issue as well. ink + pretreat = bleaching

it's like the dye is bleaching out instead of staining, since the "stained" area would be darker.

i just did a sport grey shirt (Gildan) with IA Light, cmyk only, and there was no staining. i did an athletic heather (LAT) with IA Light, white + cmyk, with no staining. i will try to do a charcoal (Gildan is all i have in that color) and post my result.
Also MMARZOLF expressed that he/she didn't have a problem when using anajet pretreatment on the same shirts. Which again led me to believe that it was the pretreatment.

But It looks like a good amount of you have now said you have the same problem regardless of pretreatment. I will just do an experiment with another pretreatment for my self when I get a chance.

I haven't tried using another pretreatment yet. When I bought my printer I went straight to using IA because of reading all the reviews and hearing the negative about the DuPont pretreatment

I have no major problems with it besides not being able to print on Grey shirts with white ink.

I just stopped offering charcoal and grey shirts for the moment besides ash grey. I rarely have anyone request charcoal anyway.
 
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Yes Correct. That is why I am believing that it is the pretreatment.



Also MMARZOLF expressed that he/she didn't have a problem when using anajet pretreatment on the same shirts. Which again led me to believe that it was the pretreatment.

But It looks like a good amount of you have now said you have the same problem regardless of pretreatment. I will just do an experiment with another pretreatment for my self when I get a chance.

I haven't tried using another pretreatment yet. When I bought my printer I went straight to using IA because of reading all the reviews and hearing the negative about the DuPont pretreatment

I have no major problems with it besides not being able to print on Grey shirts with white ink.

I just stopped offering charcoal and grey shirts for the moment besides ash grey. I rarely have anyone request charcoal anyway.
Well, there are two different issues though. There's issues with the pretreat staining/marking the shirts, even without heating. Then there's is the bleed through on heat-pressing to the other side of the shirt. We had this happen as well but found a work around. It only happened for us where there was white ink. We didn't think much of the discoloration just from spraying them with pretreat as sometimes pre-treat discolors shirts but it always washed out.
 
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ok, i printed 2 "grey" shirts last night, and i apologize in advance that 1) my white ink wasn't fully "white", and 2) my pics aren't the best.

both shirts are Gildan because that's what i had in these colors. i don't recommend using Gilden with white ink. that being said, they didn't come out horrible. the first shirt is "Ice Grey", and the second shirt is "Charcoal". both were pretreated with Image Armour LIGHT, and printed with DuPont inks. there are no stains, no bleaching, and nothing transferred to the other side. you can see a mark on the Charcoal from the heat press. i will update after they are washed. i used a good amount of pretreat since i knew that Gildan soaks it up. it's quite possible that the AMOUNT of pretreat used is partly to blame, buy my guess is that using IA LIGHT will fix most of these issues.
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A little late to the post but maybe you guys can still help me out.*
I've been getting good colors prints with IA (so I think, still new at this), but I can't seem to get rid of the "pretreatment box". I've tried spraying mist of distilled water before applying the pretreatment(I've read in another post) and still can't to get rid of it. Do you guys know if adding water or vinegar to the pretreatment will help with this? Washability? I've been applying pretreatment and then heat pressing at 330F for 30 seconds(tried anajet's paper, teflon, and parchment paper when heat pressing). Using Canvas and American apparel, although American apparel isn't as bad with it.*
Pointers anyone? I'll add some pics.*first two are from an American apparel print, and the skull is on a Canvas tee.

Still kinda new at this. Just trying to get it sorted out. P.S. I've tried anywhere from 20g-28g of pretreatment.*
Thanks in advance guys!

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A little late to the post but maybe you guys can still help me out.*
I've been getting good colors prints with IA (so I think, still new at this), but I can't seem to get rid of the "pretreatment box". I've tried spraying mist of distilled water before applying the pretreatment(I've read in another post) and still can't to get rid of it. Do you guys know if adding water or vinegar to the pretreatment will help with this? Washability? I've been applying pretreatment and then heat pressing at 330F for 30 seconds(tried anajet's paper, teflon, and parchment paper when heat pressing). Using Canvas and American apparel, although American apparel isn't as bad with it.*
Pointers anyone? I'll add some pics.*first two are from an American apparel print, and the skull is on a Canvas tee.

Still kinda new at this. Just trying to get it sorted out. P.S. I've tried anywhere from 20g-28g of pretreatment.*
Thanks in advance guys!

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The Wagner sprayer. I do three horizontal passes and row vertical. I use a squeegee as well.

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