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Old January 15th, 2014 Jan 15, 2014 6:13:33 AM -   #16 (permalink)
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Default Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

If you get a pinkish color immediately after pretreating (prior to curing the pt) then there is definitely issues with the chemicals / residues / water in the shirts reacting with the pretreatment. If the LIGHT does this too then I'd definitely look for other shirt brands.

Someone had said in another forum that a while back (1 year or two) Gildan changed where/how they manufactured their shirts and they went from really good to a lot of the issues you are experiencing for those who use them for DTG printing.
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Old January 15th, 2014 Jan 15, 2014 6:24:55 AM -   #17 (permalink)
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Default Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

Gildan is a shirt to stay away from for sure. Very inconsistent. According to a Gildan rep they had started treating the shirts to make them softer. Since then they have been very hit and miss. Even screen guys are having issues. They never were a great shirt for DTG.

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Default Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

We just had a batch of shirts destroyed by image armor. I guess we're going back to Anajet's pre-treat solution.
 
 
Old July 21st, 2014 Jul 21, 2014 7:58:04 AM -   #19 (permalink)
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We just had a batch of shirts destroyed by image armor. I guess we're going back to Anajet's pre-treat solution.
please elaborate with your issues of "destruction". pics would be helpful as well.

i've been using IA since it came out, and have not had one single shirt ruined or destroyed. an orange shirt had a pretreat stain, but it came out in the wash.
 
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We just had a batch of shirts destroyed by image armor. I guess we're going back to Anajet's pre-treat solution.

Pics, or describe what happened? No issues on cotton or poly.
 
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Default Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

Large areas of orange on charcoal grey shirts. 100% Cotton. I'm sure Image armor will say it's something in the shirt and the shirt manufacturer will say it's something in the image armor and we're stuck with the bill. It sucks because the image armor does give a crisper image than the anajet solution, but we used anajet solution with the same shirts from the same batch with no issues(we ran out of the image armor and we still had an unopened anajet bottle from before our recent switch). It's a shame but we have to go with what we can rely on.
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Default Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

interesting. have you sent those images to Brian? it's well known that charcoal is a problem color. i've had issues with charcoal using AnaJet's (DuPont) pretreat as well. but if it works for you, then keep doing it. overall, i've had MUCH better images and wash fastness with Image Armour.
 
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interesting. have you sent those images to Brian? it's well known that charcoal is a problem color. i've had issues with charcoal using AnaJet's (DuPont) pretreat as well. but if it works for you, then keep doing it. overall, i've had MUCH better images and wash fastness with Image Armour.
I haven't had time to yet - scrambling to try and redo job in time for delivery.
 
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Default Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

That's interesting.

Yes, it is a reaction with the PT and the way the shirt was processed for the charcoal color. Hence, testing prior to full production runs. I am assuming that since you said it has worked great for you prior to using this color of shirts from whatever manufacturer, it has performed as expected on those colors. Unfortunately this manufacturer and charcoal the two do not like to play together.

Unfortunately, we can't control all the variables of different shirt manufacturers and their processes and make it work in every situation in concert with the pretreatment even as we try to do. Just as 23Spiderman mentioned he had the same issue, in reverse of what you experience, but with the Dupont PT. For whatever reason the Charcoal is one of the worst colors for what you experienced when trying to pretreat.
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Old July 21st, 2014 Jul 21, 2014 12:08:33 PM -   #25 (permalink)
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one more question...maybe i missed it earlier. were you using IA Light, or IA Dark on those shirts? if you were using "dark", try the "light" as it can still handle white ink, and shouldn't leave that mark.
 
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Good call 23Spiderman. I didn't think to ask that.... the DARK would possibly do that. The LIGHT would be more forgiving on those hard to handle mid colors.
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Old July 22nd, 2014 Jul 22, 2014 1:52:26 AM -   #27 (permalink)
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Default Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

I have also had that orange stain on two different brands of grey shirts. One Charcoal shirt it stained through the back of the shirt and left the front image on the back and also some silver shirts. Also I am noticing ash grey shirts print well 80% of the time but after pressing on some of the shirts it leaves like a darker rust looking color on the shirt. but it does not go through the back of the shirt like the other colors.

Black shirts it works great on.
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Old July 22nd, 2014 Jul 22, 2014 4:57:13 AM -   #28 (permalink)
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Default Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

Some shirts I've found need a slip sheet put in-between before pressing or you can get a ghosting through the shirt. I am not sure exactly why yet, but most seem to be Gildan, and/or certain colors. The way to resolve the ghosting through is to utilize a slip sheet before pressing - put it in between the shirt front and back or thread the shirt onto the heat press like the Stalls Fusion heat presses allow.
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Default Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

That was the first thing I tried when I noticed that happen. I tried putting a Teflon sheet in between the charcoal shirt I printed and it bleed back to the front around the printed image.
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Default Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

again, pictures would be helpful...

also, please specify which IA product is being used, "Light" or "Dark". i haven't had any staining on any color when using IA "Light". i have only used this on the lighter shades of garments. i just printed an order of Fruit of the Loom HD shirts in "Silver" on the front and back and had no bleeding, and no discoloration. i don't particularly care for that shirt, but i had to use it due to needing youth sizes in that color.

if i get some time today, i'll print a test on charcoal with the IA Light and see how it does.
 






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