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Old 2 Weeks Ago Jun 10, 2017 2:50:57 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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The design includes an area 9" x 7" that is mostly one solid color, just a few smaller elements break it up a bit here and there. It prints roughly and unevenly, like the ink is not passing uniformly through the screen, or is being pulled off by the screen.

I use this same ink (Permaset SuperCover Ultra Blue) on a number of designs and it has always printed without a hitch. I have printed this cursed design and another using the same ink minutes apart from each other, and only the cursed design has the problem. Same screen mesh#, off contact, and using the same squeegee.

I use GoldUp USA 200 mesh, which have a pretty decent tension for statics. I also tried a higher tension Shur-Loc in 156 (because that is the only one I have). No difference.

I feel like I'm back at the beginning of trying to get the hang of printing high opacity waterbase

The area in question is the night sky, with a few stars and tree branches cutting across it. I could print the image on a navy shirt instead of black (and thus skip the cursed screen), and ad a black screen for the tree limbs, and the window frame through which one sees the sky. But I would rather print it as designed.

What am I missing? Why can't I print a stupid, more or less, solid block of ink 9" x 7"
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Old 2 Weeks Ago Jun 11, 2017 1:10:10 AM -   #2 (permalink)
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The design includes an area 9" x 7" that is mostly one solid color, just a few smaller elements break it up a bit here and there. It prints roughly and unevenly, like the ink is not passing uniformly through the screen, or is being pulled off by the screen.

I use this same ink (Permaset SuperCover Ultra Blue) on a number of designs and it has always printed without a hitch. I have printed this cursed design and another using the same ink minutes apart from each other, and only the cursed design has the problem. Same screen mesh#, off contact, and using the same squeegee.

I use GoldUp USA 200 mesh, which have a pretty decent tension for statics. I also tried a higher tension Shur-Loc in 156 (because that is the only one I have). No difference.

I feel like I'm back at the beginning of trying to get the hang of printing high opacity waterbase

The area in question is the night sky, with a few stars and tree branches cutting across it. I could print the image on a navy shirt instead of black (and thus skip the cursed screen), and ad a black screen for the tree limbs, and the window frame through which one sees the sky. But I would rather print it as designed.

What am I missing? Why can't I print a stupid, more or less, solid block of ink 9" x 7"
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Old 2 Weeks Ago Jun 11, 2017 12:21:11 PM -   #3 (permalink)
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1st - Trying several different inks and getting the same result.

2nd - Closeup of nasty print. Extra nasty due to laying down an extra hit to see if it would fix it. Nope

3rd - Image on 20 x 24 screen for scale.
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Old 2 Weeks Ago Jun 11, 2017 12:31:06 PM -   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: My design is cursed

Looks like that the ink is drying before it hits the garment. Could be wrong.
 
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Looks like that the ink is drying before it hits the garment. Could be wrong.
The only thing really different about this design and my other 70-some is the large area of mostly solid color. Cursed! 'Lil buddy this whole isla--er, design is cursed!
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Could the screen be low-tension?
 
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Could the screen be low-tension?
As noted in first post, I've already tried it on a high tension Shur-Loc to eliminate that possibility.


All I can figure is that a large solid print area requires a somewhat different print technique or setup than I use, with good results, on every other design.
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Old 2 Weeks Ago Jun 11, 2017 8:03:26 PM -   #8 (permalink)
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Print 2 strokes flash print, your stroke seems to lose pressure since that should not be a problem print.

Is it on cotton

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Default Re: My design is cursed

Underbase?

If not add some white ink to your color and print. With a underbase you will be good to go

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Underbase?

If not add some white ink to your color and print. With a underbase you will be good to go

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It's SuperCover. Permaset's opaque waterbase, no underbase needed.

Like I said, same ink, same mesh, same squeegee has been printing fine for me for several years on other designs. Only this design has the problem.

Yes, 100% cotton. Same shirts work with all other designs.

If this thing made sense, I wouldn't being posting about the design being cursed
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Old 2 Weeks Ago Jun 11, 2017 11:40:20 PM -   #11 (permalink)
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Default Re: My design is cursed

I would still print a underbase maybe thin the ink down just to give a base for all that ink, since it looks like it is lifting when you lift the screen off the design, happened with me before I thinned the ink down hot a underbase and worked fine.

Weird

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I would still print a underbase maybe thin the ink down just to give a base for all that ink, since it looks like it is lifting when you lift the screen off the design, happened with me before I thinned the ink down hot a underbase and worked fine.

Weird

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Yeah, I understand the thinking. But why does that same ink on the same shirts not behave this way on any other design I print?

Next time I mess with printing this, I'm going to try stupid sh*t until something makes a difference, be it better or worse
Worst comes to worst, I'll take it out to the cemetery and set fire to it at midnight.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions.
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Could the shirt be popping up from the platten? Not enough tac?

Do you use a push stroke? Maybe, using two strokes, without flooding between, with a focus on shearing the ink, might fix it.

ooh, or maybe this squeegee is good enough for simpler designs, but isn't sharp enough to sheer the ink for this larger design.
 
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Could the shirt be popping up from the platten? Not enough tac?

Do you use a push stroke? Maybe, using two strokes, without flooding between, with a focus on shearing the ink, might fix it.

ooh, or maybe this squeegee is good enough for simpler designs, but isn't sharp enough to sheer the ink for this larger design.
All decent suggestions, but not the issue. Tac is great. I push. It prints wrong from the very first stroke, more strokes just make it worse. Lots of my designs are larger than this one and much more complex, just not as much solid color in one place.

I wouldn't have jumped to the idea of "cursed" if I hadn't already exhausted rational ideas
Next up, try stupid sh*t.
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Default Re: My design is cursed

Do you spray down the screen with retarder before you print? We've had good success mixing retarder and water 50/50 in a spray bottle, spraying the screen and waiting a few minutes, then wiping excess off. You can also add 1-3% retarder into your ink.
 






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