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Old July 26th, 2008 Jul 26, 2008 11:15:58 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Advice needed on how to correct this issue

I got a Email from a member of the forum. He was having trouble posting,so I decided to help him out. Any advice would be greatly appreciated by Jim and myself. "I just purchased this window/sign vinyl from a company called Specialty-Graphics.com in Chicago. The vinyl is called “FDC Graphics 4200 Series Vinyl Film” and whenever I do a detail cut, the vinyl is pitting and tearing (see attached photo’s ). This never happened on your shirt vinyl, EcoFilm so I know it’s not the cutter. I’m doing a test cut which is working fine so I know the force is correct"THANKS FOR LOOKING. ... JB
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Old July 26th, 2008 Jul 26, 2008 11:24:31 AM -   #2 (permalink)
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Looks to me that your off set is not correct, blade depth is not correct and speed of cut is to fast.
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Old July 26th, 2008 Jul 26, 2008 11:25:18 AM -   #3 (permalink)
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Looks like his pressure/blade depth is way too hard. Sign vinyl is ALOT different then t-shirt vinyl.
 
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Old July 26th, 2008 Jul 26, 2008 11:27:45 AM -   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Advice needed on how to correct this issue

That too David,,, its always great to get more than one person working on this type of stuff,
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It would also be helpful if we knew how big the actual size of the decal is. It could be a speed issue.
 
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Old July 26th, 2008 Jul 26, 2008 12:02:49 PM -   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: Advice needed on how to correct this issue

that looks like a pretty thick material, have you tried a 60 degree blade and slowed down the feed maybe half of what it is currently set at ? If that does not work , try doing a multi-pass instead of cuttingit thru in one pass. For this technique, you'd have to reduce the blade force to half of your blade test strength and then do the cut, and with out disturbing the position of the media, do another cut. The cutter should retrace its path all over again, if that still fails, do 3 passes...good luck
 
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Default Re: Advice needed on how to correct this issue

4200 series is FDC's calendared vinyl, I use it all the time. A 60 degree blade is not needed. That cut should be a piece of cake once all the settings are correct.
 
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Old July 26th, 2008 Jul 26, 2008 2:32:34 PM -   #8 (permalink)
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Not knowing what kind of cutter/plotter is being used might be a concern here too. My P-Cut from USCutter has the pinch rollers on top of a pair of grit rollers for feeding. If you aren't watching what you're doing, you can easily get the vinyl bunched up or heaved up in the area between the pinch rollers and it won't feed properly. With the vinyl lifting off the cutting strip, it allows the blade even in UP position to grab at the design and tear it up like shown in the picture above. I would make sure that you are feeding this vinyl absolutely FLAT, as I've not had any problems with the FDC material from Specialty Graphics myself.
 
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Bill has been working with his cutter!!! I know this for a fact,, great going Bill
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Roger, that's for sure. I know just about all the quirks to expect. LOL I've chewed through plenty of vinyl figuring them all out.
 
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yep thats what happens $300 bucks for a cutter and $900 worth of test vinyl
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Well, in all honesty, I've only wasted about $100 worth of vinyl.....I bought some cheap sign vinyl to learn with and then used smaller designs with tee shirt vinyl while getting the hang of that as well. I would say, on average, I have one ruined piece per 5 jobs and it's usually something I did wrong, not the cutter. LOL
 
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Default Re: Advice needed on how to correct this issue

Slap the pen adaptor in it to test it first before you cut.
 
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David that's a great idea...I forgot I even had that adapter myself.... hmmm......
 
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Looks to me that your off set is not correct, blade depth is not correct and speed of cut is to fast.
Thanks very much for your help. I've not changed the factory defaults for my new Roland GX-24 so I do not know much about this "offset" that you spoke of. I didn't see much at all mentioned about offset in the Roland Manual. Can you tell me how I might change the offset? My test cut was at 50g which was perfect. I've changed to a fresh blade which I believe is a 45-degree and the cut got much better; no more pulling yet I did have letters being removed when I weeded. When the letters pulled off I looked at the backing material to see if it was being slightly imprinted by the blade and it was which indicates to me that I was cutting through the letters yet some were still pulling off. Again someone mentioned off-set.

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