Yuchan

The only result I got from searching oracle 641 is this :

I really dig this cutter stuff!

While I just noticed Oracal 641 - 24 inch x 10 yds NP - Brimstone Yellow 24" x 10 yds Non-Perf - Low Price Guarantee
says " It is NOT recommended for vehicle use"

Oracle 651 has no such warning. Its also rated for "medium term/6yr outdoor life".

Is the quality difference in the vinyl or adhesive? Would a "short term vinyl" on a vehicle break down due to the extra heat a car would be exposed to vs some plastic sign? Just wondering before I end up having no use with this vinyl.

Doesnt seem like there is any negative comments about it =/

 

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astromark

The 641 is considered a "calendared" vinyl. It is thicker than premium "cast" vinyl.
2 mil cast vinyls are recommended for vehicles because they will conform to uneven surfaces better.

 

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plan b

Hi, if you are looking just at the price difference between 641 and 651, just buy the 651 there is not that much a difference in price and it works great for automobiles...

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L00T

Personally I would choose at least Oracal 751C for fleetmarking if I were you. The main differences between these two are:

641: economy calandered soft PVC film, thickness: 75 micron, service life: 3-4 years, adhesive power: 16 N/25 mm, adhesive: polyacrylate permanent, dimensional stability: shrinkage in lenght 0,4 mm max.

751C: cast PVC film, thickness: 55 micron, service life: 5-8 years, adhesive power: 18 N/25 mm, adhesive: solvent polyacrylate permanent, dimensional stability: shrinkage in lenght 0,15 mm max.

Oww, and there are also 58 more glossy colours to choose from with 751C

 

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dishote2003

Quote: Originally Posted by L00T Personally I would choose at least Oracal 751C for fleetmarking if I were you. The main differences between these two are: 641: economy calandered soft PVC film, thickness: 75 micron, service life: 3-4 years, adhesive power: 16 N/25 mm, adhesive: polyacrylate permanent, dimensional stability: shrinkage in lenght 0,4 mm max. 751C: cast PVC film, thickness: 55 micron, service life: 5-8 years, adhesive power: 18 N/25 mm, adhesive: solvent polyacrylate permanent, dimensional stability: shrinkage in lenght 0,15 mm max. Oww, and there are also 58 more glossy colours to choose from with 751C

Hi, which is the best oracle number for stickers? can i use any of them?
Thanks,

 

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Yuchan

Thanks everyone. I bought two rolls of oracle 751 and it should be here in a few days.

The 641 sticks real well indoors or on the inside of a window but I had trouble with it on the outside most likely due to temperature. I'm hoping the new one will give me better luck.

Oh, and I got medium tack transfer paper.. I have a sneaking suspicion the magic mask clear sheet I have is very sticky. because.. its very sticky.

 

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L00T

Quote: Originally Posted by dishote2003 Hi, which is the best oracle number for stickers? can i use any of them? Thanks,

You can plot stickers from all the Oracal films. What number best to use depends on what quality you want, underground surface you gonna stick it on, inside/outside use and such factors. It can never hurt to call your local dealer and ask him for advice.

Quote: Originally Posted by Yuchan Thanks everyone. I bought two rolls of oracle 751 and it should be here in a few days.

Did you just buy the regular 751 or the 751C? The 751 is not casted film, but premium calandered.

 

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mikew

Oracle 751 is a cast vinyl not calendared. Check out this link to their website:
ORACAL USA : Products : ORACAL* 751* High Performance Cast

Loot, I did a search on Oracal's website for 751c and got no results for it. What is it and where can I get info about it?

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theflowerboxx

If you are using it for decals on glass windows such as a car window then 651 calendared vinyl is fine.

 

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L00T

Could be a product difference between US and Europe where I buy from.
Check out this link: Orafol Europe GmbH | Portal
Click on graphic products and in the pop-up window again, then click plotter films

 

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mikew

Loot, you are right (but you knew that ). Interesting differences in the products and what they are called!

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Yuchan

Quote: Originally Posted by L00T You can plot stickers from all the Oracal films. What number best to use depends on what quality you want, underground surface you gonna stick it on, inside/outside use and such factors. It can never hurt to call your local dealer and ask him for advice. Did you just buy the regular 751 or the 751C? The 751 is not casted film, but premium calandered.

I bought 751. Wow, thats amazing.

24" x 10 yds Non-Perf - Low Price Guarantee

Take a look at the section name. HIGH PERFORMANCE CAST 7yr.

The only way I would know its NOT cast is to look here: 751-High Perform Cast-7 Yr - Low Price Guarantee

where it says "high performance cal" while still saying Cast. Thats misleading, eh?

Should I complain about misleading advertising? or is cast vs calandered not important?

I just chose the first "cast" because you said it was good for vehicles. I guess i'm not particularly worried because they reccomend this one for vehicles.

 

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lost1

From ORACAL's site:
ORACAL 751 High Performance Cast

This value-priced 8-year cast film offers impressive cutting and weeding properties as well as minimal shrinkage for durable, dimensionally stable applications such as architectural signage, vehicle and fleet graphics. It applies well to irregular surfaces, including corrugations and rivets. Thermal print compatible. 80 high gloss colors.

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Yuchan

Quote: Originally Posted by lost1 From ORACAL's site: ORACAL 751 High Performance Cast This value-priced 8-year cast film offers impressive cutting and weeding properties as well as minimal shrinkage for durable, dimensionally stable applications such as architectural signage, vehicle and fleet graphics. It applies well to irregular surfaces, including corrugations and rivets. Thermal print compatible. 80 high gloss colors.

now i'm just confused. Oracals website = 8yr cast.

signwarehouse = 751 7 yr cast, and in the product description page says 751 7yr premium calendered. so which is it? l00t says there is 751c and 751. which would make sense. i wonder what i'm getting from signwarehouse. some pages say calandered some say cast

 

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L00T

Yeah I see it's somewhat confusing on Signwarehouse's website. If you're buying from them better call or mail them and ask them about it before purchasing anything. I just know the products as they are here, maybe there are minor product differences in different parts of the world.

 

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