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Comin'OutSwingin · July 30th, 2006

Branding is the reason for taking the Gildan label out. If one is trying to establish their own brand, leaving the original label is self-defeating.

That's the whole reason for his thread. He wants his own label. Not the Gildan.

EngBulldog · July 30th, 2006

Thanks again everyone for all of this information. And yes branding is the exact answer. I have screen-printed our logo on most of our designs in the past and have always left the Gildan label in the shirt. However, we are trying to take it to the next level and want the customers to only see our name in the shirts............along with our site address, etc. I am still looking into all of the label options, but again I think I am almost sold on the screen-printed transfer labels. I know they probably will fade a little but it would be so much less expensive since I can do it myself. It also allows for more customization and is somewhat mainstream and acceptable at the time.

Solmu · July 31st, 2006

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Originally Posted by LucyRoberts


	one good thing about leaving the Gildan t-shirt label on the shirt is that peeps know the Brand is good quality

That's extremely subjective. Personally I tend to think of Gildan as the minimum acceptable quantity (i.e. it's not particularly good, but it is good enough).

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Originally Posted by LucyRoberts


	and places like the Big-Chain stores like Wal-Mark do not sell them (last time i looked), where they may sell fruit or hanes

K-mart here sell Gildan blanks and various chauvinist slogans printed on Gildan. The only other two brands they have are Bonds (blank only) and their home brand. Personally I don't think it helps or harms (in Australia anyway). Bonds are regarded as a quality brand for example, despite being sold at K-mart.

As for the FoTL/Hanes comparison... again, very subjective. I think of both Fruit and Hanes as being better quality than Gildan.

Objectively Gildan, Hanes and Fruit of the Loom are all at very similar levels (i.e. similar price, similar fabric weight, readily available, similar size and colour range, etc.). You could rank them on sales volume or personal preference, but I don't think there's any (even semi-) objective measure of their relative worth.

T-BOT · July 31st, 2006

Solmu, yes opinions are fine.......

not very good photos....sorry, the Brand name printed on the sleeve of the Guns & Roses original licensed t-shirt are not small potatoes..... why would they not remove the screen stars label ?

The other paper type Label, again, soooo sorry for the bad photo quality. They are used/sewed on side seams, neck binding etc.... they are not the type you print your brand name on mind you.

Solmu, have you seen these paper type labels ? or know what they are called or who makes them ?????

Sharing this with me would make make day.

Solmu · July 31st, 2006

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Originally Posted by LucyRoberts


	the Brand name printed on the sleeve of the Guns & Roses original licensed t-shirt are not small potatoes..... why would they not remove the screen stars label ?

Obviously I'm speculating, but an arguement could be made that printing "Guns N Roses" on the front of a shirt brands it so completely that anything else would be redundant, so you might as well save 20c a shirt.

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Originally Posted by LucyRoberts


	Solmu, have you seen these paper type labels ? or know what they are called or who makes them ?????

I've seen them, though I don't personally like them (I like things to be more permanent). I don't know what they're called sorry. They're pretty much standard for suits too (inside the pocket), so they're definitely in wide use.

T-BOT · July 31st, 2006

thanks Australia Solmu,

yeah, the paper-type labels are used on a gazzilion manufactured garments, t-shirts included... in the USA and Canada i know for sure.

So they must meet all the Gov-Requirements IN usa/Canada. I THINK.
They come pre-printed on printer paper type sheets with the wash symbols and other info. You can then feed these sheets thru a lazer printer and print the content etc.... yourself.

But boy are they UGLY.

I agree with the fact that if you design t-shirts and want to add your own label, why not spend a few cents on some NICE looking labels.

Solmu · July 31st, 2006

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Originally Posted by LucyRoberts


	So they must meet all the Gov-Requirements IN usa/Canada. I THINK.

Maybe, maybe not. I've bought plenty of garments in Australia that don't meet our labelling laws. I've bought some stuff from the US that doesn't meet US requirements.

I guess it would come down to a court decision. Personally I don't feel they meet US or Australian requirements, but even if I'm right (and it is an if) that doesn't mean anyone would ever get fined over it.

It's possible that the regulations statement of "useful life", "permanent", etc. and the court's interpretation of just what that means differs.

LaMamaHen · July 31st, 2006

Hi all. I have read this thread and too many others to count on tagless Ts and the head, she spins.

Bear with me as I work my way to the questions:

I sell a boutique line of baby tees. The tees are from a private label manufacturer. They sewed in a custom woven label for me (20 dozen required)

We are now branching into women's tees and do not want to buy 20 dozen. But, we also do not want to use the manufacturer's care label either. (Branding).

So, from reading posts looks like we have to do:

- a heat press label, but would need equipment for.
- some sort of inexpensive hand-iron sort of thing, which really wouldn't work...correct?
- have small run of inexpensive printed silk labels made and pay someone to sew them in. (Any company suggestions?)

Do print shops do heat press on contract?

Many thanks!

Carrie

Rodney · July 31st, 2006

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	Do print shops do heat press on contract?

Yes, some do. It would just be a matter of calling around to a few in your area.

EngBulldog · July 31st, 2006

Well I have been playing around some more. Looks like I will definately have to re-sew the neck seam after taking the Gildan label out. I thought it could be done neatly with a razor or simply by unstitching the label, oh well.

Also, I prefer Gildan because of the price. Several of our shirts are white and I like the quality of the Gildan 6.1 ounce. I am going to order some Anvil and Jerzees to compare with the Gildan. If anyone has other suggestions or preferences in a similiar price range I would appreciate it. Thanks

Comin'OutSwingin · July 31st, 2006

Do you have a seam ripper?

About $2!

It has a curved blade, and is made for "ripping seams"!

Try any place that sells sewing supplies. I've done labels like this before. It works wonders.

Solmu · July 31st, 2006

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Originally Posted by LaMamaHen


	So, from reading posts looks like we have to do: [snip] - have small run of inexpensive printed silk labels made and pay someone to sew them in. (Any company suggestions?)

One other option is to screenprint them yourself (either directly into the garment, or onto fabric that is sewn into the garment). Since we're talking about a very simple one colour print, you wouldn't need a lot of equipment and it wouldn't be difficult to do.

You may prefer to outsource these kind of jobs, but if not that is another option.

LaMamaHen · August 1st, 2006

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Originally Posted by Solmu


	One other option is to screenprint them yourself (either directly into the garment, or onto fabric that is sewn into the garment). Since we're talking about a very simple one colour print, you wouldn't need a lot of equipment and it wouldn't be difficult to do. You may prefer to outsource these kind of jobs, but if not that is another option.

I so had not even considered doing the screenprinting myself, but I will look into it.

Any site suggestions for reading and supplies?

Thank you!

Solmu · August 1st, 2006

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Originally Posted by LaMamaHen


	I so had not even considered doing the screenprinting myself, but I will look into it. Any site suggestions for reading and supplies?

Normally internet resources are what people look for (myself included), but in this case if a local friend asked me that question I'd direct them to one of the short screenprinting courses I know of (1 day, weekend, etc.) and give them the address of my screenprint supplier.

So my generic advice (since I can't recommend a specific course in your area, etc.) would be to look into a local short course (google may be of some help, or you could try your local community college or adult learning centre, or some screenprinting shops offer day courses), and to check the Yellow Pages (or similar) for a screen print supply shop.

Screenprinters.net (there's a link in the t-shirt sites list in the sidebar) has a lot of information in theory so you could try that, but personally I don't actually find the site very useful all that often (the biggest problem is that it's too poorly organised). Your mileage may vary, as some people love the site.

T-BOT · August 1st, 2006

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Originally Posted by LaMamaHen


	I sell a boutique line of baby tees. The tees are from a private label manufacturer. They sewed in a custom woven label for me (20 dozen required) We are now branching into women's tees and do not want to buy 20 dozen. But, we also do not want to use the manufacturer's care label either. (Branding). Carrie

Carrie, from what i know, it is not a big deal to add a few dozen to the run as they are being made for someone else. Have you asked the manufacturer about this ?

i mean, to add a few more dozen to a run all it takes is laying out a few extra fabric layers on the cutting table.

May be they can do you a few dozen this way......

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