Guaranteed Top Ten Rankings in search engines or your money back!
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Guaranteed Top Ten Rankings in search engines or your money back!
Re: Guaranteed Top Ten Rankings in search engines or your money back!
its very easy to get into the top 10 google results for anyone. this marketing hook is a very bold statement but is easy to achieve. every industry and the keywords associated with it are bid on and google/yahoo can acurately predict your position with the amount you say you want to bid. the more competitive the search words the more they will cost. so as long as you are willing to pay the going rate for top 10 ranking of your industry's key search words, you will be in top 10. so they really cant go wrong with this statement. they dont say every client they have is in the top 10, they are just saying they can get you there if you want to pay for it, or we will refund if we screwup.
Now, read the stuff on the website.
They're so confident that they say "Guaranteed top 10 rankings" or they'll refund your money.
Anyone tried such stuff before? I'm thinking of buying it cos' it's really too good to be true!
Imagine....I try for keywords like "funny t-shirts" and my website comes up within the top 10 results on Google!
Any advice, opinions, comments etc are highly welcomed!
Thanks!
Xeon
that's an outright lie. How can they 'guarantee' top results without knowing what search keywords you want to rank for?
what if you wanted to be top 5 for "britney spears'? Theres no way in hades they could pull that off. "britney spears" is one of the top 5 searched phrases on google year after year. The top site for that phrase gets literally-- millions-- of daily hits from search engines. So I know their claim is already a very overblown statement w/o them asking what words you want to rank a site well for.
Sure they might be able to pull it off for MUCH less competitive phrases, but to make a blanket statement that they gurantee a top 10 or 20 ranking is just wrong. It reeks of 'baiting' n a bad way. The only people in the world who can guarantee you top rankings that are the people who run each of the search engines--- and I doubt they are in the biz of making individual websites. certainly the folks making websites for a living cannot gurantee anthing to do with a search engines rankings or results unless they are working for the SE's themselves.
To me, that has the distinct smell of a scam to get people to part with their money. Just like those old barkers at a fair claiming to sell a tonic that regrows hair -- GUARANTEED. Yeah, sure it is.
For example, if they were truly able to "gurantee top rankings" for all keywords, they would already be millionaires themselves -- many times over. Just by creating their own sites and being #1 for the most popular google seaches like "american idol", "britney spears", paris hilton", etc, etc. They would design those sites around using the google adwords campaign, and get paid by the click from google.
So if that company is as good as they claim, they wouldn't have to lie to you and sell "seo designed websites" for a living, they would be cashing in on the easy money from their own top ranking sites. Those kinds of sites generate hundreds of thousands of dollars weekly in advertising money paid from google. make sense?
so their claim sends up instant red flags in my mind. I dont see their company anywhere in the top 30 for mosty of the SEo related keywords for their industry.
when I searched for "SEO design" or "seo rankings" in google, their company's website was nowhere near #1-#10? Not even in the top 50 before I stopped searching. Of course according to their claims, they can gurantee that, right? I guess the guarantee doesnt apply to themselves. If they can NOT do this for their own business, should you trust thenm to do it for your biz? Clearly not. You'd think they'd be talented enough to do it for their own keywords, right?
So you have to ask yourself: why arent they in top 10 themselves? If they arent capable of promoting themselves the way they claim to do for you, then youre definitely looking at a scam of some sort. I didnt dig deep enough into it to find out or google what other webmasters think of their claims. But if you trot off to webmasterworld.com and search their site for "ibusinesspromoter.com", im sure they will already debunked the claims there in detail.
To put look at that another way: would you have a guy design your tshirts, who is himself wearing an ugly tshirt design that promotes his own biz? I sure as hell wouldnt. But your sense of trusting a stranger may be greater than mine. ;o)~
Also, these so called 'internet marketing firms' that make such claims use what is called 'blackhat SEO' to get your site up in the rankings. What that means is they are knowingly cheating google by providing "doorwaypages" for google to see that human visitors don't.
In otherwords, once google finds out that your site is doing things totally against it's terms of service, they WILL ban your site totally from their indexes. You will no longer exist at all in the Search engine.
And trust me on this, your competitors will turn your site designed by them in to google asap, if they see your site "suddenly rising" into the top places where it never was before, and breaking the TOS. I turn in my cheating competitors every morning to all the major search engines, after I check the status of sites I have designed and SEOed. No one should be able to "cheat" google and profit from it. The ones that "magically" rise to the top from out of nowhere, are almost always violating the SE's TOS, and are simple to get banned by emailing the engines.
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Originally Posted by dt
just tried one of their happy customer with vacation florida and i stop looking after 200 results ... strange!!!
not strange at all. that site they listed as a "sample" of their seo skillz has probably already been banned from the google engine (or which ever one you searched on) after Google found out it was designed to "cheat the rankings system".
If I were a legit top ranking florida vaction site, and that website suddenly started outranking mine, I would investigate and turn them in if they were violating the search engines "TOS" ( terms of service)
That would be one less competitor I would have to sweat for a year or so.
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Originally Posted by darryld
its very easy to get into the top 10 google results for anyone. this marketing hook is a very bold statement but is easy to achieve.
do you have ANY idea how hard it is to be top 10 for some of google's most popular searches? Obviously not, if youre claiming it is "easy to acheive".
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Originally Posted by darryld
every industry and the keywords associated with it are bid on and google/yahoo can acurately predict your position with the amount you say you want to bid. the more competitive the search words the more they will cost. so as long as you are willing to pay the going rate for top 10 ranking of your industry's key search words, you will be in top 10.
I think you might be confusing the "paid" advertising or "pay per click", with "natural search results". Two completely different animals --- not even related other than both happen through search engines. For example, in Google the "paid" adverts run down the right side of the results pages and are labled "sponsored links" above them. The 'organic' or 'natural' search results are on the left side.
That firm in the OP is claiming to get you in the top ten without paying google, MSN, Yahoo, etc, advertising money. That's a totally different ballgame from the "paid" placement that youre referring to.
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Originally Posted by darryld
so they really cant go wrong with this statement. they dont say every client they have is in the top 10, they are just saying they can get you there if you want to pay for it, or we will refund if we screwup.
no. that doesnt apply to this company's claims, and what xeon is asking about. Again, I think youre confusing "paid placement" adverts with the "natural (or organic) search engine results" and the SEO design needed for a website to acheive top 10 natural results.
dave
Last edited by Rodney; May 14th, 2008 at 08:02 AM.
I stand by my assertion/post that any company claiming to make you "top 10" w/o first asking you "what keywords are you trying to rank in the top 10 for", is full of shiznit and a scam of some sort.
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DaveM
sorry i didnt see anything from the original post or the link that was suggesting they were only talking about organic links.
As I said in my post this is a marketing hook but is achievable if you are prepared to pay for it.
I don’t know why you think im confusing paid searches and organic, I said straight out in my post im talking about bidding and paying for search words which is easy to do and you will get results if you are prepared to pay for it.
I think your confusion (and your rant) comes from your abundance of assumptions
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Originally Posted by darryld
DaveM
sorry i didnt see anything from the original post or the link that was suggesting they were only talking about organic links.
of course organic links is what we are talking about --- that is what SEO is. that is what the company xeon inquired about does for a living -- sell SEO software. Its not "affiliate" or "pay per click" software, it's seo software. So yes, 'organic seo' IS indeedy-do the topic of this thread.
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Originally Posted by darryld
As I said in my post this is a marketing hook but is achievable if you are prepared to pay for it.
huh? by definition, you can't ever "pay" for organic search engine rankings. They are determined by google''s ranking forumla alone (or, of course, the other SE's formulas) So you're still confused. Here's a definition of it for ya: Organic search - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(please note the VERY first sentence before you reply with more of your "prepare to pay", comments.)
Sure you can "pay" a company to design your site and build in SEO for it. Or someone can "bid" on a price to build your site w/ seo for you, BUT youre still at the mercy of google and it's ranking formula for the actual results you get after it's built. There's no "paying for keywords" involved as you keep insisting. That's why they are called organic search results, get it?
Now if you want to take this thread off topic and into Affiliates, pay per click, overture, etc, and bidding for keyword rates, then yes you are correct, that can be done with good results....
....but the company in the OP's link doesnt have a thing to do with pay per click or bidding keywords. period.
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Originally Posted by darryld
I don’t know why you think im confusing paid searches and organic,
because you are. note your next sentence below. The OP didnt ask about "pay per click" or "bidding" options, he was asking specifically about IBP seo software and the odds of their claim being true.
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Originally Posted by darryld
I said straight out in my post im talking about bidding and paying for search words which is easy to do and you will get results if you are prepared to pay for it.
I think your confusion (and your rant) comes from your abundance of assumptions
LOL. my confusion? my assumption? funny guy. Basically, even in your last post you are STILL "talking about bidding and paying for search words" and insisting that is somehow realated to this thread on seo. The topic is SEO and you jump in and spout about about "pay per click" or "bidding on keywords". So maybe youre not confused, just way off topic?????
If you can show me anywhere on the site xeon posted where there is a referrence to "pay per click" or "pay per keyword" or "bidding for keywords", as you are insisting, then I will offer you my sincere apologies.
I wont be holding my breath waiting for you to find it. ;o)~
If you can't find a referrence in that article, then you have no reason to have brought up the subject of "bidding" or "paying" for keywords as you did. It's confusing. It has nothing to do w/SEO. Xeon never asked about "pay per click" or bidding.
youre just making the thread confusing to seo newbs trying to follow along.
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It's a scam. I turned my SEO company that guaranteed results like that into the BBB. We're in a dispute that may end up in a lawsuit. If it sounds too good to be true, it is.
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do you rip into everyone like that because i dont think thats what this forum is for. to make it clear again i amd talking about bidding paying for keywords to increase ranking, sorry that this bothers you. you are a ranting raging lunitic and i dont appreciated your comments at all.
Last edited by Rodney; May 14th, 2008 at 07:58 AM.
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Re: Guaranteed Top Ten Rankings in search engines or your money back!
Dave, please keep things professional without attacking other members
It IS possible for a company to promote SEO service and STILL be actually providing PPC services to their client.
That is obviously what Darryl is talking about.
It may not be the ethical thing to do, but it's not something that is unheard of.
Some companies have been known to sell SEO services and actually be paying for PPC on those keywords hoping that their clients won't know that when they are now showing up in the top 3, that they are actually paying for it. And no, they wont' mention PPC on their website...only SEO.
I'm not saying that this is what the company the original poster linked to does, I'm just saying that it is withing the realm of possibility, which is probably why it was brought up in this thread.
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