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Old September 2nd, 2009 Sep 2, 2009 6:04:11 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Burning image help!!!

i have been silkscreen for a while now but stopped for a long while....

i have just started again and i am having problems!

i apply my emulsion and let it dry in dark room for about 2 hours.

i have my transparency that burn under 500 watt bulb.
i let it burn for about 30- 45 min.

when it comes time to wash it out i CANT GET IT TO WASH OUT ALL THE WAY!!!!

I SEE MY IMAGE BUT IT DOENST FULLY WASH OUT like normal.

this happend to me 2 times in a row!

anyone have any ideas?

maybe im using too much emulsion? its too thick?

maybe my emulsions bad? cuz its kinda been in the black bottle in a cardboard box in garage and the garage gets hotter the 100 degrees?

its pretty frustrating.

plz someone help
 
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Old September 2nd, 2009 Sep 2, 2009 6:55:55 PM -   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Burning image help!!!

I am far from the professional, but I would have to say that it has to do with the fact that you are burning your image for too long. 30-45 minutes even with a Halogen lamp I think is way to long. Before I purchased an exposure unit I used to use a 500w lamp, and would normally burn the image for about 13-15 minutes only and it would normally work pretty well. Good Luck.
 
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Old September 2nd, 2009 Sep 2, 2009 7:05:45 PM -   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Burning image help!!!

My first exposure setup was with a 500w halogen lamp, and I burned the image for about 15 minutes at a distance of about 2.5 feet away.

I would agree with hawaiianphatboy that you are exposing the screen for too long. Try bringing down your exposure time until the entire image washes out of the screen cleanly.

As far as the emulsion, some have a shelf life of about a year, and begin to go bad after that. I would recommend getting some new emulsion if it is extremely old.
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Old September 2nd, 2009 Sep 2, 2009 8:36:25 PM -   #4 (permalink)
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I regularly use a 500W halogen work light (with the UV glass removed). I can burn screens in 4.5 minutes -- perfect every time. 45 minutes is waaaaaaaaaay too long. See if you can track down a step test to perform to find the ideal exposure time. If you can't find one PM me and I can send you one that I have.
 
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Old September 2nd, 2009 Sep 2, 2009 11:06:28 PM -   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: Burning image help!!!

thank you all for your help!! u guys are great!

i lowered my exposure time to about 15-20 min and it worked out great for me!!!!


idk y but i thought that if i burned the image longer it will get an extra crispy burn and when i wash it out it will keep all its detail perfectly! especially if its a detailed image.


weird.

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Old September 5th, 2009 Sep 5, 2009 6:34:54 PM -   #6 (permalink)
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Light was eventually creeping in between your emulsion and your film and gradually exposing it all the way across. Buy some new emulsion anyway. I could gel up overnight on you. Six months is all it is designed to last once you put the activator in if a dualcure. If a one pot the life is even less. You need a fast one for that low wattage lamp. I use 5,000w.
 
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Old September 6th, 2009 Sep 6, 2009 12:13:39 AM -   #7 (permalink)
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Default Re: Burning image help!!!

Everyone seemed to hit the nail on the head about overexposing.


I would like to add that an extra dark positive will make a world of difference too.

A super dark positive, and a well burned screen should give you a great final result.
 
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Everyone seemed to hit the nail on the head about overexposing.


I would like to add that an extra dark positive will make a world of difference too.

A super dark positive, and a well burned screen should give you a great final result.
what is a extra dark positive?
 
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Default Re: Burning image help!!!

same as to everyone... i do used 500W of hallogen lamps...
for about 1m to the image....^_^


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Everyone seemed to hit the nail on the head about overexposing.


I would like to add that an extra dark positive will make a world of difference too.

A super dark positive, and a well burned screen should give you a great final result.
whats the extra dark positive?
 
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Default Re: Burning image help!!!

Somebody already said it before, but if your emulsion is old, you'll run into problems. Check with suppliers, if it's been a long time since you've done screenprinting, they have samples of new emulsion out that takes alot less time to burn. The supplier I deal with in Az., gave me a quart for free to try out and see if it worked for me. It's murakami photocure blue. I have a 1k watt exposure unit and burn a screen in 1 min. They say it had a 6 month shelf life once you mix in the sensitizer, but I bought a gallon from them and it's been almost a year and I used the last bit of it and I still burned screens with no problem.
 
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Old October 5th, 2009 Oct 5, 2009 12:11:26 PM -   #12 (permalink)
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Default Re: Burning image help!!!

If you hold your positive up to a light, the more light that comes through, the harder the image will be to wash out. You want to use very opaque positives when exposing screens. Some inkjet inks are more opaque, adjust printer settings to lay down more ink, or double up the positives to give a darker positive. You are also exposing too long, and emulsion goes bad in heat.
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Default Re: Burning image help!!!

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what is a extra dark positive?


Sorry, I was out of town.


I meant a very dark positive, meaning very opaque. As mentioned by Unik. If I double up my positives I can wash out my burned screens in seconds. The emulsion washes right out, as it should. If I don't double them up, it takes a bit more.
 
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Old October 5th, 2009 Oct 5, 2009 4:35:52 PM -   #14 (permalink)
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At a darkroom suply house you can purchase an opaque black pen for touching up film positives. They work great for small areas. Even a Sharpie will work on small areas. If the entire film ppositive looks grey when held up to the light then you need more ink down on the film to totally block out the light from coming through.
 
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