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Old April 30th, 2009 Apr 30, 2009 10:46:58 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Hi guys just bought a used epson 4000 but it like new. There are only a 1000 prints on it. So the question I am asking is do I use pigment ink for it or dye based? I will only be printing film with this printer. I did Buy fastRip 9.0 pro from Ryonet but they sent me FastRip Classic Series 9.0 which I believe This will not work with the 4000. I hope the exchange will go smooth
 
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Default Re: Epson 4000 pigment or dye ink

Dye based inks will work much better when printing film. I think the 4000 series is a dye based system to begin with and the 4800 and above are pigment. Of course, if I'm wrong, someone will be sure to correct me.
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Default Re: Epson 4000 pigment or dye ink

The 4000 uses pigment ink. You can get refillable cartridges and load them with dye if you want. Dye ink and film will cost less than pigment ink and waterproof film. The dye ink is more dense on regular inkjet film. Be sure to use waterproof film if you use pigment ink. Superjetusa.com has both ink types and the carts.
 
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Default Re: Epson 4000 pigment or dye ink

Pigment actually has a higher uv density and Epson don't give Europeans a choice in the matter. Frankly, either works really well, you've got a bargain, did it have one lady owner?
Waterproof film is easier to handle anyway.
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Default Re: Epson 4000 pigment or dye ink

I use waterproof film and prefer it. Dye would save you a little if you want to switch. Definitely go for the refillable carts, though. You can get 100ml of each of the eight colors for about what it costs to buy one OEM cart.
 
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Default Re: Epson 4000 pigment or dye ink

Pigment inks scratch off the film very easy. This is why dye inks are preferred.
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Is there a certain process to make my printer a dye ink printer?
 
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Is this True?

For the best screen printing positives, install a FastINK DYE cartridge in Slot 5 and the EPSON UltraChrome Light Black ink cartridge (T543700 or T544700) in Slot 1.

Do not install a black UltraChrome Pigment in your EPSON 4000 Slot 5. When the printer starts for the first time it will write the cartridge information to the firmware and it requires an EPSON techncian and many purge cleaning cycles and wasted ink to clean the tube system of UltraChrome.
 
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Pigment actually has a higher uv density and Epson don't give Europeans a choice in the matter. Frankly, either works really well, you've got a bargain, did it have one lady owner?
Waterproof film is easier to handle anyway.

I only paid $500 and I received the stand and the network card and paper and it was a one lady owner.
 
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Is this True?

For the best screen printing positives, install a FastINK DYE cartridge in Slot 5 and the EPSON UltraChrome Light Black ink cartridge (T543700 or T544700) in Slot 1.

Do not install a black UltraChrome Pigment in your EPSON 4000 Slot 5. When the printer starts for the first time it will write the cartridge information to the firmware and it requires an EPSON techncian and many purge cleaning cycles and wasted ink to clean the tube system of UltraChrome.
It depends. Are you using FastRIP? If so, then you would use Light Black and Light Light Black slots. Our RIP uses only the Black slot. We have a PRN file that you send to the printer and it's a full 8.5x11 sheet and it prints a solid color from whichever channel you are trying to flush. This requires about 30 prints before the entire system is flushed of the previous ink. The pigment ink on a waterproof film will give you a hazy look on the back of the film. I have customers that swear it effects their burning when doing halftones. Their halftones would wash out quickly and too easy.

We switched them over to dye ink and it solved the problem.
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The 4000 uses pigment ink. You can get refillable cartridges and load them with dye if you want. Dye ink and film will cost less than pigment ink and waterproof film. The dye ink is more dense on regular inkjet film. Be sure to use waterproof film if you use pigment ink. Superjetusa.com has both ink types and the carts.

I could not find dye ink there? any other place
 
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Default Re: Epson 4000 pigment or dye ink

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I could not find dye ink there? any other place

I buy this and a second brand that is all dye myself, I have clients that love this stuff... (no other supplier but this internet company sells this stuff that I know of)

Hybrid inks for Epson

A combo of both that works well with the 4000 and the 4800, 4880 on waterproof film.

I also have the refillable cartridges and a chip re-setter.

Refil Ink Cartridges

I use only one black cartridge, and load all the others with el-cheepo inks or cleaning fluid.
 
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I buy this and a second brand that is all dye myself, I have clients that love this stuff... (no other supplier but this internet company sells this stuff that I know of)

Hybrid inks for Epson

A combo of both that works well with the 4000 and the 4800, 4880 on waterproof film.

I also have the refillable cartridges and a chip re-setter.

Refil Ink Cartridges

I use only one black cartridge, and load all the others with el-cheepo inks or cleaning fluid.
Now do you use that ink in matte black and photo black and light black?
 
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Now do you use that ink in matte black and photo black and light black?
You can use that ink in ANY of the cartridge positions...

Just make sure you have all of the inks in place before you kick it on, if you have old inks in the system, it will have to be purged out of the lines.

I have had this ink in every cartridge for testing a rip that uses all of the cartridges with black all at the same time.
 
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You can use that ink in ANY of the cartridge positions...

Just make sure you have all of the inks in place before you kick it on, if you have old inks in the system, it will have to be purged out of the lines.

I have had this ink in every cartridge for testing a rip that uses all of the cartridges with black all at the same time.
Would this work with FastRip Pro 9.0?
 
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