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Old December 20th, 2008 Dec 20, 2008 11:18:58 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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I printed a shirt on a 50/50 cotton/polyester blend and the shirt looked ok after a wash. Then i printed on a 100% cotton shirt and it faded very much so. Has anyone else had this issue?
What is this about curing ink? Ive read that versatex needs a fxxer but i use the speedball fabric ink. i just hang them to dry. is it still necessary for me to cure the ink? (heat gun?)

I am planning to work on clothing design for a while and cannot have such significant fade. Plz advise. Thks

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Default Re: Ink fade after wash

Speedball BLOWS. Toss it. Do yourself a favor and research proper plastisol. You are screenprinting, yes? You are in the wrong section with this post. But, yes, you need to cure your ink, the best solution being a conveyor dryer set to an exact temperature. Most plastisol cures at 320 - 350 degrees.
 
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I heard the cleanup for plastisol is a process. Right now i just wash the ink off in a slop sink. can i do that for plastisol or there chemicals involved?
 
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I use a soy additive by Franmar. Takes the plastisol off easy-breezy and it's safe for a regular drain.
 
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I do not have access to a converyor dryer, would a heat gun or blow dryer work? im doing this myself in my basement. i appreciate the help
 
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Default Re: Ink fade after wash

People use heat-guns but I wouldn't recommend it since you can get even coverage or *exactly* the temperature you need. Blow dryer doesn't get got enough.

If you don't cure it properly you risk it under or over curing, resulting in the print either washing out or cracking, or both. The cheaper median would be a flash dryer...
 
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Hello-

I printed a shirt on a 50/50 cotton/polyester blend and the shirt looked ok after a wash. Then i printed on a 100% cotton shirt and it faded very much so. Has anyone else had this issue?
What is this about curing ink? Ive read that versatex needs a fxxer but i use the speedball fabric ink. i just hang them to dry. is it still necessary for me to cure the ink? (heat gun?)

I am planning to work on clothing design for a while and cannot have such significant fade. Plz advise. Thks

-fELBSY
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Default Re: Ink fade after wash

That sounds like what i need, except i am doing this in my basement in my spare time, and as such- have limited space and funds. im going to have to stick with speedball ink for now. Ill just have to really gob the ink on to counteract fading.
 
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Won't work.
 
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This is frustrating.

All i want to do is create tshirts for me and my friends as a hobby, not some big business. Is the only way to use plastisol inks and an expensive drying machine???
 
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Default Re: Ink fade after wash

You can also cure plastisol in your kitchen oven. Most plastisol has to reach a temp of 320-350 to cure... I understand that about 45 seconds to 1 minute in an oven set at 450 will do the trick.

Curing is the big issue. Regardless of what type of ink you use, read up on the curing requirements and make sure it happens. People do this as a hobby all the time... but hobby or profession, quality matters.

Good luck to you
 
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Pretty sure the Mona Lisa wasn't done with a toothbrush. Having the right tools is always important.
 
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You can also cure plastisol in your kitchen oven. Most plastisol has to reach a temp of 320-350 to cure... I understand that about 45 seconds to 1 minute in an oven set at 450 will do the trick.

Curing is the big issue. Regardless of what type of ink you use, read up on the curing requirements and make sure it happens. People do this as a hobby all the time... but hobby or profession, quality matters.

Good luck to you
I would be interested to see how many shirts you burn trying that out.
 
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That sounds like what i need, except i am doing this in my basement in my spare time, and as such- have limited space and funds. im going to have to stick with speedball ink for now. Ill just have to really gob the ink on to counteract fading.
If you gob the ink on even thicker you will get ink that will not cure cause its too thick. It will be wet underneath.
 
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Old December 20th, 2008 Dec 20, 2008 11:04:56 PM -   #15 (permalink)
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I would be interested to see how many shirts you burn trying that out.
People have been using home ovens and homemade ovens/curing units for decades. They are slow but they work.
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