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help me with this one... handling fades / gradients with screen printing



 
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Old September 30th, 2006 Sep 30, 2006 8:32:20 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Question help me with this one... handling fades / gradients with screen printing

I saw the guy wearing a tee that I believe was from some mexican band.
The artwork was damn good and, what hit me about it was that it was one screen (white on a black tee) with varing degrees of shading and opacity.

I've always seen one thick opaque and adjusted my art to work within those
parameters. Is this shading just a higher amount of lines in a film positive?

this effect makes for delicate details to be pronounced enough to view softer parts of an image correctly.

It's the equivalent of drawing with a pencil and having every nuance of shade appear on your screened shirt while it gradients to hard opaques.

what is this magic?
 
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Old October 1st, 2006 Oct 1, 2006 11:24:15 AM -   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: help me with this one....

my guess it it's a RIPed or imageset image using halftone dots. I was allways under the assumption that with halftone capabilities you could in esscence print greyscale.
 
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Old October 2nd, 2006 Oct 2, 2006 12:21:10 PM -   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: help me with this one....

definatly half tone dots.

it's like illustrating with pen and using the stippling method to shade... photoshop has a half tone filter i think.

keep in mind that not everything translates into half tones well... and you loose detail sometimes.
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Old October 2nd, 2006 Oct 2, 2006 8:26:05 PM -   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: help me with this one....

the only thing I can imagine is like a higher dpi or in this case lines per page.
I must know...


where are the gurus?
 
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Old October 2nd, 2006 Oct 2, 2006 9:41:54 PM -   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: help me with this one....

Jacob,

You might check out this tutorial on halftones that Ken wrote not too long ago:

Half tone Colors in Photoshop and Illustrator

Try it out and see if you can get the effect you are looking for.

If it's not halftones, try to find a picture of a tee like that, seeing it will help us understand what you are talking about.
 
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Default Re: help me with this one....

hmmm....I'm not sure now. It could have been halftones that created that effect. The guy was wearing the shirt at the time, I didnt wanna climb on top of him to ge a better look. Not to mention he spoke limited english...it could have gotten weird.

thanks for the link-I'll end up using that info.
 
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Default Re: help me with this one....

This is a single color hot-split transfer with halftones. Was the art similar?
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Default Re: help me with this one....

Thanks for the great example of a one color job with halftones, David

I think it's much easier to explain how the fades can look with good pictures like that.
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Thanks for the great example of a one color job with halftones, David

I think it's much easier to explain how the fades can look with good pictures like that.
Pictures worth a thousand words. Amazing what you can do with one color really.
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you don't happen to have a high res version of that do you?
 
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Default Re: help me with this one... handling fades / gradients with screen printing

essentially you can take a color image. Convert to greyscale and print to film. There are limitations in screen printing halftones. Most art will need to be modified by lightening the lights and darkening the darks. You will loose (most of the time) the 0-10% dots and will fill in the 90-100% range. Editing the image using curves to remove these troublesome areas will make for a more cleaner looking print.
Depending on the lpi you choose a proper mesh count will be required to get the maximum print.
 
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Default Re: help me with this one... handling fades / gradients with screen printing

Here is one we just did. We used 2 screens though. A base white and then we went back over it with a highlight. Going to work on a version w/ more colors for give aways.



btw, We use fast films and an imagesetter to produce the halftones.
 
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Nice wolf. Might need a close up of the halftones for the ones that cannot visualize
 
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Default Re: help me with this one... handling fades / gradients with screen printing

I will never look at such a print the same way again. Impressive technique.
 
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