Hi, Unregistered. | Today's Posts

T-Shirt Forums
User Name
Password

Need to Register?

Forgot Your Password?


Site Navigation







+   T-Shirt Forums > T-Shirt Industry Information > Screen Printing
Discuss the various aspects of screen printing. Inks, speciality printing, print locations, durability, etc.

HELP: Newbie... first exposure test failures



 
Share This Thread Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old October 9th, 2008 Oct 9, 2008 9:26:26 AM -   #1 (permalink)
spx
T-Shirt Lover
T-Shirt Aficionado

spx's Avatar
 
You can call me: Pete
Member Since: Oct 2008
Posts: 108
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)


Default HELP: Newbie... first exposure test failures

We purchased all our equipment used from a company going out of business. The previous owner was "suppose" to be helpful... he is not.

Here is what we did to produce our exposure test:
  • We purchased new screens but had some old ones that we reclaimed and decided to use for the exposure test process. They are 110 mesh.
  • We cleaned off the old emulsion using Franmar Strip-e-doo. Prior to coating we used Franmar d-Grease to clean the screens and then let them dry.
  • We used Ulano QX-1 emulsion and a sharp edge coater and coated the screens once front and back.
  • We let them dry for a couple days.
  • We printed out image on inkjet film and affixed it to the screen.
  • We used our 1yr old Lumitron exposure unit and developed the screen as recommended for 1-6 minutes in strips.
  • We washed out the screen and the best "looking" section was around 3 minutes. According to the Lumitron manual, that is inline with what is recommended by them for 110 mesh.
  • We took another coated screen, ran the same test for 3 minutes without "stepping it".
  • Took it to the washout and began washing it out. I should mention, our washout is NOT a powerwash unit but we have a garden hose/nozzle with real decent pressure.
  • I should also mention, my step test image consists of bold block letters, script letters, lines, and block/circle images.
Here is the "problem" I am running into....
  • While washing it out, it started looking pretty decent.
  • Then some smaller areas started pealing off the back (garment) side of the screen.
  • Continue washing, more and more started pealing.
  • I have whole areas that are missing ALL the emulsion or it is hanging "by a thread" off the back.
  • I also have areas that the "center" of letters such as on a B or D, or O are missing but nothing else.
  • And finally I have areas that look perfect even putting the spray directly on the center of, say an O. It is still there.
So my questions are: Where am I going wrong? Is this typically a screen issue, coating issue, exposure issue, washout issue? I am not sure what to attempt to fix.

Because these were older screens and possibly I didn't get everything off or if I screwed up when I coated the screen. I could try one of the new screens which I haven't coated as of yet.

As for exposure... I still may be off on my calculations as well of course all though from what I did and read, it appears to be pretty close.

Finally, to my knowledge the exposure unit is working fine. It has 5 bulbs that come on and run the duration of the time cycle so I can't imagine that is an issue.

Finally washout... I assume a properly done screen, no matter where I put the nozzle, it shouldn't peal off the edges etc. I know most people use a power wash and I doubt I have that kind of pressure although mine is a pretty direct stream. Should I be using a wider angle or hold it farther away?

Any help and suggestions is greatly greatly appreciated. We really really need to start using this equipment and hopefully recouping some of the money we have invested... soon!!

Pete
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us Tweet about this Post!
Old October 9th, 2008 Oct 9, 2008 9:37:04 AM -   #2 (permalink)
T-Shirt Lover
T-Shirt Aficionado

Fuzz's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2007
Posts: 169
Thanks: 2
Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)


Default Re: HELP: Newbie... first exposure test failures

How old is the emulsion?

And I never use higher pressure to blow out the image. I just use a low pressure shower head.
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us Tweet about this Post!
Old October 9th, 2008 Oct 9, 2008 9:40:52 AM -   #3 (permalink)
spx
T-Shirt Lover
T-Shirt Aficionado
Thread Starter

spx's Avatar
 
You can call me: Pete
Member Since: Oct 2008
Posts: 108
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)


Default Re: HELP: Newbie... first exposure test failures

All cleaning chemicals and emulsion is brand new.
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us Tweet about this Post!
Old October 9th, 2008 Oct 9, 2008 9:54:43 AM -   #4 (permalink)
T-Shirt Lover
T-Shirt Aficionado

Fuzz's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2007
Posts: 169
Thanks: 2
Thanked 20 Times in 19 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)


Default Re: HELP: Newbie... first exposure test failures

I use the exact same chemicals and emulsion as you and have had what you have described happen to me quite a few times.

My only suggestion right now would be to try misting the image right when you pull it off the exposure unit. Let it sit for a minute and then try using less pressure on the wash out.

Oh, also try rinsing off the degreaser with water after you use it, if you didnt before.

Let me know if you pinpoint the problem because im still not 100% positive of the cause.
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us Tweet about this Post!
Old October 9th, 2008 Oct 9, 2008 11:11:02 AM -   #5 (permalink)
spx
T-Shirt Lover
T-Shirt Aficionado
Thread Starter

spx's Avatar
 
You can call me: Pete
Member Since: Oct 2008
Posts: 108
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)


Default Re: HELP: Newbie... first exposure test failures

I wonder if I am "washing out" in properly. When I first spray it, nothing appears. Then I wait 10-20 seconds, hit it again and the image starts ghosting in. Then I hit it again after a delay and the images open up and crisp up. I don't sponge it or rub it or anything like that... just water pressure from a directed spray at about 6-8 inches away.
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us Tweet about this Post!
Old October 9th, 2008 Oct 9, 2008 11:58:40 AM -   #6 (permalink)
T-Shirt Lover
T-Shirt Fan

mhuk's Avatar
 
You can call me: Mark
Member Since: Sep 2008
Location: Worcester, UK
Posts: 21
Thanks: 3
Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)


Default Re: HELP: Newbie... first exposure test failures

Did you further fine tune the exposure time around the 3 minute mark?
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us Tweet about this Post!
Old October 9th, 2008 Oct 9, 2008 12:08:27 PM -   #7 (permalink)
Forum Member
T-Shirt Apprentice

BestPrinterever's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2008
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)


Default Re: HELP: Newbie... first exposure test failures

I think you need to make sure your emulsion is en good conditions, I use a water pressure machine and no problem with my images, check with a new screen, check your time, give a margin of 30 seconds (+) between a new esposure, good luck!!!
 
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.us Tweet about this Post!






This is a discussion about HELP: Newbie... first exposure test failures that was posted in the Screen Printing section of the forums.

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
QX-1 exposure times w/ ryonet exposure unit ocuriel Screen Printing 9 February 26th, 2010 10:46 PM
Exposure test with the Stouffer Scale? Lawson SBQ 510? camscam Screen Printing 14 January 19th, 2010 01:06 AM
emulsion + exposure newbie help Six Screen Printing 36 October 28th, 2007 09:16 PM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:12 AM.


Copyright 2004-2012 T-ShirtForums.com. All rights reserved.