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Old September 9th, 2008 Sep 9, 2008 2:26:09 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Hi! We are looking to get our first auto. Looking at the Diamond back vs Anatol Horizon Mini. Both look great and seem to run well a the product demos. M&R seems to have the market cornered but the Anatol has the really cool Q-Runner flash unit that allows you to print and flash on the same head. Anybody have any advice? Maintenance? Set up speed? We run smaller jobs, typically 50+ pieces so would set up many times a day.
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Can you get to a shop that has one so you can see it up close? We have a Diamonback and we're doing 1000pcs 3 color front and back on black tees as we speak. I have had to call M&R one time since we've had it and that was because a sensor wire came loose, I had to plug it back in. That's it! It runs like the day we got it after 32k prints.
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Old September 9th, 2008 Sep 9, 2008 3:25:57 PM -   #3 (permalink)
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M&R is definitely the way to go. Check their flashes too. They have several that are cool for automatics.
 
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Old September 9th, 2008 Sep 9, 2008 10:42:07 PM -   #5 (permalink)
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I'll give a dissenting point of view we own two Anatol autos -have had great customer service, rarely needed any service with either of them and they are great machines for far less than M&R presses in general. That said I don't have a horizon or diamond back I have a Stratus II and a Trident, one is a 12 color press, four years old with 520K impressions on it and the other is a 8 color jumbo/all over press bought earlier this year with over 60K impressions on it.

Feel free to give me a call if you like - I love these presses. Don't get me wrong M&R makes a good product, but they really aren't the only game in town.

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Wow! Thanks everybody! We've seen both in action but wondering on a daily basis, which is faster for set up and tear down. Both run far faster than we can handle at the moment anyways .
Do any of you use a tri-lock or other preregistration system? They are trying to sell me on that too.

The one reason we like the Anatol is the Qrunner flash. It comes in, flashed, the shuttles out so you don't loose a colour. We are limited to a 7 colour so don't want to be down to 5 with two flashes on the heads.
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You don't need a tri-lok to do fast set-ups, but it would help.
The in head flash is a nice feature.
You can't go wrong with either one.
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Thanks again. Do you have two Reno shuttle flashes in place? That is the recommendation but I'm wondering if we get one in place and one Chili so we can move it around and completely remove it so we can have the print head back for more print colours.
 
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2 is better than 1. We have 1 reno flash- in head. I rarely move it out of #2.
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M&R is way to go, and think about sportsman instead diamond.
I have Sportsman 6/8 and 12/14 and I'm happy we can do everything.
 
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Thanks for that. THey have a 6/8 sportsman but we are planning on running with just one operator loading and unloading so we wanted that extra head for a print head. With the 6 colour, two flashes you're down to 4 colours. If one is the white under, then just three colours right?
The guy said you can run it around on some cycle to use one flash twice but that sounds like a lot of spinning for no reason...
We don't have the funds to get a 12 colour unfortunately! Do I understand it right with the # of colours printable?
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Do you really need 2 flashes? You seem insistent on that point. MAybe if you had a 10 color or better, but.....
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M&R is way to go, and think about sportsman instead diamond.
I have Sportsman 6/8 and 12/14 and I'm happy we can do everything.
I am buying a machine also, why would you say sportsman over diamond, what specific reasons would you suggest to justify the extra costs?
 
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I am buying a machine also, why would you say sportsman over diamond, what specific reasons would you suggest to justify the extra costs?
You may also want to look for a Gauntlet II
You've got to figure out if you are better with a servo driven machine instead of a Air driven machine
Servos are much easier to manage and have better performance IMO... obviously that is more $$
 
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Yeah, but you're talking double or more the cost. Most people with their first machine are pinching just to get in the door. MOST people anyway.
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