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Old September 15th, 2006 Sep 15, 2006 9:53:42 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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I've heard that water-based silkscreen will acheive the washed out look that is soft and feels like it is part of the actual shirt....like on vintage shirts. Is this correct? If not, does anyone know how to get this look & feel?
 
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Default Re: water based silk screen?

there are some brilliant screen printers on the board that will come along and give you more info.

give it a little time.
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Default Re: water based silk screen?

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I've heard that water-based silkscreen will acheive the washed out look that is soft and feels like it is part of the actual shirt....like on vintage shirts. Is this correct?
Basically, yes. There are other components, like choosing the right shirt and applying distressed look filters to your artwork if that's the look you want etc., but waterbased ink gives a print with very little hand (i.e. soft feeling print), can be more easily made to look washed out, etc.
 
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Default Re: water based silk screen?

Yep, that can be achieved with water based inks. But it can also be achieved with plastisol ink and chino base.

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Old September 16th, 2006 Sep 16, 2006 10:34:10 AM -   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: water based silk screen?

I agree with Neato Chino base works well with plastisol as does vintage base.
If you want cracked washed look then try to an over pigmented waterbased white.
This will give a very harsh feel and wil crack but not wash off.
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Default Re: water based silk screen?

this sounds very interesting....but, i'm a newbie at this....what is is "Chino Base"?
 
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Default Re: water based silk screen?

To get a distressed look with plastisol ink, the artwork should be distressed in your graphics editing software with overlays or filters, then when you go to print, use a very high mesh count screen (tiny holes) and only do one pass of the squeegee with lighter than normal pressure. Will give you a washed out look and have a "soft hand" because only a small amount of ink was deposited onto the shirt.

Chino Base - is an additive to be mixed in your plastisol inks to thin them out. It pretty much turns your plastisol ink into a waterbase without it being an actual waterbase ink. Similar effects as other reducers but much better and more reliable. The hand feel is extremely soft.
 
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Default Re: water based silk screen?

so is waterbased printing what affliction and ed hardy typicaly use? how much is it?

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Default Re: water based silk screen?

Yes, waterbased inks will achieve this. Also, do a search on the forum for "discharge" inks. They prevent the shirt's dye from reflecting light (basically bleaching it.) You can either bleach to the off-white natural cotton color, or add whatever color you want. Since you changing the color of the fabric and not laying ink on top of the fabric, the designs are perfectly soft after washing once (right after printing, you can feel the residue from the discharge ink.)

The way discharge works is through mixing a powder "activator" with an Elmer's glue-looking "binder." If you add less activator, the shirt will not discharge as much, giving your shirts a very soft, very vintage look.

Matsui makes a water-based discharge ink line.

Just some more food for thought. But go with something waterbased. It's great!!!
 
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Default Re: water based silk screen?

Yes, it sounds like you want water base, and yes, that is how most Affliction and Ed Hardy shirts are printed. Keep in mind, discharge is a water based ink solution... Plastisol can be thinned and printed to look distressed as well. Typically water base is a little more expensive than plastisol to print because there is a bit more care and labor needed when producing some volume. Many shops seem to only offer plastisol.
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Default Re: water based silk screen?

If you print with water based and DON'T heat-set when you wash it it will give you the prefect washed vintage look. It won't come all off just some if it.
 
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