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Old July 26th, 2008 Jul 26, 2008 10:27:41 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default How Would You Do This Foil Print?

I'm looking into this type of process, where the foil just sticks to part of the design as in this picture. I've read a little about using release agents or water-based. So how would you do something like this?

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Default Re: How Would You Do This Foil Print?

Very nice effect indeed.

I am not sure, maybe could have been printed with high density ink.
My guess is that they used a grainy substrate on the platen to have different level of ink (like sand paper or else), so when they applied the foil it adhere only on the peak of ink.

I wish I can do this soon, and I am eager to see other member replies !
 
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Default Re: How Would You Do This Foil Print?

I have a similar design and I was told the best way for me would be to use water based ink (like for your black) and then plastisol for the foil. Although I have not tested this yet but I plan to soon.
 
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Default Re: How Would You Do This Foil Print?

You make a screen with the artwork on it, silkscreen the adhesive on the shirt.
Then you cover it with the foil and heat press.

 
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Default Re: How Would You Do This Foil Print?

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You make a screen with the artwork on it, silkscreen the adhesive on the shirt.
Then you cover it with the foil and heat press.

Yes, I've done foil prints before. But this one has black ink in addition to the foil. If I print a regular black plastisol, the foil will adhere to it.
 
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I have a similar design and I was told the best way for me would be to use water based ink (like for your black) and then plastisol for the foil. Although I have not tested this yet but I plan to soon.
So how much trouble is it to print a water-based ink if I'm set up for plastisol? I've never done any water-based. Do I need different equipment or chemicals?

And can I just print the adhesive on top of the wet water-based ink, like a wet-on-wet?
 
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Default Re: How Would You Do This Foil Print?

Unfortunately, I'm new to the biz and haven't printed with water based inks yet either...!

As far as I can tell it isn't that much harder to print water based inks. You'll need to use a larger screen (like 110) and clean up as soon as you're done so the water based ink doesn't dry up in the screen or you'll lose it.

I'm sure there's better inks that will print on smaller screens, but I don't have the experience yet!

I'm off to pick up my foil kit tomorrow, so I should know more by then.
 
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So how much trouble is it to print a water-based ink if I'm set up for plastisol? I've never done any water-based. Do I need different equipment or chemicals?
You may need to use a different emulsion, depending on which one you're currently using.

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And can I just print the adhesive on top of the wet water-based ink, like a wet-on-wet?
I haven't tried it, so I don't know for sure, but I seriously doubt it. The adhesive is thick and needs multiple passes, the ink would be wet and quite transferable, and the adhesive design is going basically straight over the top of the ink design. Sounds very messy.
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So how much trouble is it to print a water-based ink if I'm set up for plastisol? I've never done any water-based. Do I need different equipment or chemicals?

And can I just print the adhesive on top of the wet water-based ink, like a wet-on-wet?
The emulsion is different and I wouldn't try it on wet on wet with adhesive and ink. The reclaiming chemicals are different also. Equipment is the same but you need a spray bottle of water to keep screen wet if you stop.
 
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Yes, I've done foil prints before. But this one has black ink in addition to the foil. If I print a regular black plastisol, the foil will adhere to it.
It very well could, try it. The adhesive is basically a clear HD ink.
 
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Default Re: How Would You Do This Foil Print?

Hey..this is a vey interesting print. Combination of plastisol and foil.

as far as i understand, the black color base print is done first in pigment print and then the foil gel is applied and then the gold foil paper.

may be 3-4 coats of plastisol print for a high density effect.

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Default Re: How Would You Do This Foil Print?

Thanks. I know the foil will stick to plastisol ink, so that's not really an option unless I were to add the "releasing agent" I've read about. Has anybody use this before? That would be a lot less trouble than doing water-based.

And I'm curious, why would I need a different emulsion for water-based? I use Ulano's CDF capillary film.
 
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And I'm curious, why would I need a different emulsion for water-based? I use Ulano's CDF capillary film.
Apparently some emulsions breakdown under waterbased ink. Some are compatible with both waterbased and plastisol, some plastisol only. Not something I really know much about, but maybe Richard Greaves has posted an explanation before.
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