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Old July 2nd, 2008 Jul 2, 2008 7:22:54 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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I am in need of some help. I use corel graphic suite 12. I know it is old, but it its really all I need. I just need to know how to create a undercoat or base for printing on a dark shirt. The times that I have done it, we just burn 2 screens of the same design and print the bottom one white the other the color of the ink. But there has been several designs that I needed a different base than the topcoat. Do I use the contour tool for this? Is there an easy way to do this? Thanks ahead of time for any help.
 
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What scenario would there be where the top coat would not need a complete underbase?

And 12 is not that old . Have you been caught up in the Corel hype of having to upgrade every year or your program is obsolete? When you think about it, 12 is less than 2 years old. Now, how often does microsoft update windows or office?
 
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Old July 2nd, 2008 Jul 2, 2008 8:43:12 PM -   #3 (permalink)
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what you see is what you get for a base... just make it whatever shape you need... and Corel 12 is more than enough... good luck...
 
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what you see is what you get for a base... just make it whatever shape you need... and Corel 12 is more than enough... good luck...



I'll try to explain an example we had to make. We were printing on black and my ink was white and lime green. The white acted as an outline and as a base. I am not sure how to size the text so that I show the outline and make the inner text (the lime green text) still fit to the base design. I don't know if I am explaining this very well, but I'm trying. thanks
 
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Is it common to print 2 layers on all black shirts?
Is still new at screen printing and I am trying to figure out the best way to go about getting the results I need without printing a lot of times.
 
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Is it common to print 2 layers on all black shirts?
Is still new at screen printing and I am trying to figure out the best way to go about getting the results I need without printing a lot of times.
Yes, to get a uniform bright color out of your light inks on dark shirts, it is typical to lay down a layer of white ink (underbase), flash dry it, then lay down your other colors over it. Unless you have white in your design, once you lay down your colors, the white will not show any longer.
 
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Thanks to you who responded to my post. I think I figured out what I needed to do. But you think the corel 12 graphics suite is good enough?
 
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Thanks to you who responded to my post. I think I figured out what I needed to do. But you think the corel 12 graphics suite is good enough?
Visit Corel's website. They will have an X3 additional feature list over what 12 has. And they will have an x4 additional feature list over what x3 has.

Unless they list a feature that is a "must have" for you, save your money for x5 (or 6 )
 
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Old July 3rd, 2008 Jul 3, 2008 8:32:22 PM -   #9 (permalink)
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Are you using vector grahics? It is fairly easy to do if you are.You can choke down your white base using a white outline around your artwork.This can be done using the outline tool and i usually use hairline up to .5mm.If you create your colour artwork as vector it is easy to create seperations this way.If you want you can email me a design and i will show you how i would seperate it and send it back.Don't worry,i won't poach your customers,besides i am in Australia anyway.
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I've never found a good way to make a white underbase in a vector program. What i'd do is open the file in photoshop and create the underbase there. From photoshop, a vector graphic could be formed by selecting the mask and converting it into a working path and saving working paths.

To make a working path in photoshop, it is typically a magic wand of the background, expand path for trap, select inverse, make working path, export. I really wish vector programs were that easy.

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Thanks for the help. I'llhave to try that.
 
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Ah the old photoshop vs corel debate.All i do to make a white base in corel is select everything and change it all to black,then choke it down with a fine white outline,simple.I do create some of my white bases in photoshop basically the same way by using brightness/contrast and taking the tone right down.Most of my photoshop artwork is part jpeg,part vector which i print as a cmyk.
 
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