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Old June 26th, 2008 Jun 26, 2008 4:04:08 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Problem printing W/B on dark

Hi,

I have problems printing dark with water based.

I need to make 2 prints (print flash print) but it is not enought opaque as you still see the fibers under the ink.

I have seen Rutland sells the K3 ink, and there is a dischage Base.
Does someone has experience with this product ?

Is it harmfull as it is for printing a childen clothing line ?

What are the steps (Printing the discharge and then printing as normal ?)

At last is there a high opacity water based ink on the market ?

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Default Re: Problem printing W/B on dark

what color print are you trying to achieve and on what color garment?
Matsui makes a very nice opaque white.
They also make a good discharge. I use that and also their white-pigmented discharge on certain garments to get a bright white.
Discharge isn't very environmentally friendly but it is safe to wear. Tell your customers to wash the garment before they were it as discharge can be a skin irritant if it is worn before washing.
Let me know what color combo you are going for and I may have more suggestions.
 
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Default Re: Problem printing W/B on dark

Hi,

I tried to print orange color on a black tees.
I print flash print.

I am looking for suggestions...

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Default Re: Problem printing W/B on dark

Matsui has a high-opacity wb white. Others may as well.

Discharge is also an option as you won't have so much thickness of material in the design, but it's a little tricky to get the colors just right and consistent.
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Default Re: Problem printing W/B on dark

Hi there, Rutlands discharge is great. You could get a clear base and colour booster (pigment) and print and orange direct without a base white.
I would advise you wash before wear with kids and discharge to be on the safe side, as discharge uses formeldahide (spelling!!).
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Default Re: Problem printing W/B on dark

Thks for the info.

It was much easier with plastisol, but I am now making some room in my shop for water based.
I will make some test and improve my printing on dark.
 
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Default Re: Problem printing W/B on dark

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Matsui has a high-opacity wb white. Others may as well.

Discharge is also an option as you won't have so much thickness of material in the design, but it's a little tricky to get the colors just right and consistent.

Do you use Matsui's new 301 ECO-Series ?
 
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Default Re: Problem printing W/B on dark

I actually just started using Matsui's 301-series stuff. I really like it so far.
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Default Re: Problem printing W/B on dark

I read specs on their website, can you confirm me it does not dry in the screen like a standard water based ink ?
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I read specs on their website, can you confirm me it does not dry in the screen like a standard water based ink ?
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Do you mean while you're printing? You don't want to leave it on the screen overnight, if that's what you mean. Even then, though, it will reconstitute with water.

As you are printing it thickens up after about an hour or so. Even when it start to thicken, though, it gets about the consistency of plastisol - but the shirts start to feel different if you let it do that. What we do is keep a spray bottle of water handy and mist the screen with one or two sprays from the bottle every third or so print. We ran a job the other day using the 301 that took about six hours on the press, and using the spray bottle like that we had no problems at all.
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Default Re: Problem printing W/B on dark

I did a 4color print with matsui spot colors that was on the press for over three hours and had no clogging or thickening. Their opaque stuff will thicken and clog though, not too badly if you're doing just one color, but if you were to mix multiple opaque inks and print very long it'll be a nightmare.
 
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