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Old June 19th, 2008 Jun 19, 2008 2:05:20 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Can someone give me some suggestions on how I would go about printing this image. It is going to be a 2 color with halftones in the wording and the sun. I printed seperations out on paper and it got me thinking wether I would print light to dark or dark to light or even wet on wet? Then I thought about printing the design as a 3 color the yellow halftones and the maroon halftones then set the solid color up on another screen. As you can tell I am new to using the halftones in multi color designs any suggestions would be appreciated. I am printing with plastisol ink, manual press and I have a post script printer with rip. I printed my sample seperations at : yellow 55lpi angle 45 and maroon 55lpi and 22.5 on the angle.

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Old June 20th, 2008 Jun 20, 2008 11:43:14 AM -   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: How would you print this image?

you could print the maroon, flash and print yellow. Wet on wet might get a little funky, depending on how you print (off contact heights, inks,squeegee pressure etc). What do your 2 color seps look like??
If you got the time, I'd experiment with it. There is nothing like knowledge gained from just giving it a go yourself, even if you fail the first time or two!
 
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Old June 20th, 2008 Jun 20, 2008 3:44:23 PM -   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: How would you print this image?

I clicked on your pic and the lines on the suns ray could use some touching up ( they don't look straight)...
Same thing goes for the leg?! near the cross on the sun. Just my 2 sense
 
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Old June 20th, 2008 Jun 20, 2008 7:47:22 PM -   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: How would you print this image?

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This job could be printed as 2 color, but was designed without this consideration.

The image contains cyan, magenta and yellow mixed in a radial manor. This is a job which i'd print process, but would probably not bother to make a black screen.

If the original artwork is available, i'd either adjust it with 2 colors in mind or print it using process color.

As a process job, it is a much easier example than something like a flesh tone. As an example of process, this design is as easy as it it gets.

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what mesh and (4 color process?) always wanted to try this...thanks
 
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Default Re: How would you print this image?

This should be a 2 color job light to dark flash inbetween. Why would you want to print this a process? Its a 2 spot color job.
 
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Old June 21st, 2008 Jun 21, 2008 12:15:19 PM -   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: How would you print this image?

I'm assuming this will go onto a white shirt. If so, it's basically a 2 color spot design w/ halftones. We use a manual press, and I would use a 195 or 205 mesh screen for both colors, and a sharp 70 durometer squeege. Print, flash, print. (you could try print wet on wet, but we found that the halftones tend to get closed up after several prints, so take the extra time to flash).
 
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Default Re: How would you print this image?

To me its a two color spot print. If you 4 color process the setup is to long.
My opinion.
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Default Re: How would you print this image?

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The why is mostly due to not wanting to deal with a spot color which is needed for only a single job.

The job requires the purple to be printed as a halftone. Once the job requires halftones, why not use process inks?

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Unless I was looking to rip someone off with another screen chrge and charge as a 3 color job there is no reason to not print it as a 2 spot colors. Printing half tones with spot colors is elementary printing. Mixing enough ink for a job and not way too much is also what professional screen printers do every day.
 
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Default Re: How would you print this image?

yea it looks like two colors yellow underneath and red on top with half tones where the gradient is
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Unless I was looking to rip someone off with another screen chrge and charge as a 3 color job there is no reason to not print it as a 2 spot colors. Printing half tones with spot colors is elementary printing. Mixing enough ink for a job and not way too much is also what professional screen printers do every day.
yea your right but not everyone can do process like me cause i have a basic 4 color press with no micros so i can't line up the image good enough to do that. and as of right now i cant afford a good press like that.
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yea your right but not everyone can do process like me cause i have a basic 4 color press with no micros so i can't line up the image good enough to do that. and as of right now i cant afford a good press like that.
Even with no micros you should be able to register art work like this. Without micros doesn't make it impossible, it just is harder, takes more time and experience doing it that way.
 
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Without micros doesn't make it impossible, it just is harder, takes more time and experience doing it that way.
Experience being exactly what someone using a basic press without micros usually doesn't have. Although time on the other hand...
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Experience being exactly what someone using a basic press without micros usually doesn't have. Although time on the other hand...
Well there is only one way to get experience.... and since you have the time.... gain the experience.... its really not that difficult... if you need to adjust the second screen then just tap it gently.... it will take more rags to test print but you can do it.... the other question is if you are doing this as a business instead as a hobby then maybe you shouldn't take a job that you can do correctly. Good luck and try.... thats the only way to get experience.....
 
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Default Re: How would you print this image?

Thanks for all the help. I ended up printing as a 2 color spot, and printed dark flash then light.

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