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Old May 22nd, 2006 May 22, 2006 1:43:15 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default foil printing....is this a new process?

HI...just wondering if anyone knows about the print style of foil. This print looks like a metalic something...like foil...usually comes in gold or silver. I see it at department stores on everything right now and my customer would like that print process. Anyone know where to go to get it done or know where/how to get it?
 
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Old May 22nd, 2006 May 22, 2006 4:30:20 PM -   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: foil printing....is this a new process?

As far as I know, it's a two step process. You create a screen, just as you would be doing a silk screen shirt but instead of using plastisol ink, you use a special glue. You would "flash" dry the shirt for a couple seconds until the glue gets tacky. Then, you take the shirt to your heat press, place a foil sheet on top (you can get them at mclogans or any silk screening supply store- they come in rolls of silver or gold) and press it for about 15 seconds. The foil adheres to the glue and not the shirt, and wah-lah! Your design is foiled!
 
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Old May 24th, 2006 May 24, 2006 9:57:47 AM -   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: foil printing....is this a new process?

tandami is pretty much correct. One thing you can get all sorts fo foils, not just gold and silver
rainbow, blue, copper, holographic and many many more.
crown royal leaf sells tons.
The glue is a printable adhesive yet you can adhere the foil to regular plasticol. The adhesive works better for us. We get that from International Coatings
 
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Old October 2nd, 2006 Oct 2, 2006 8:32:01 PM -   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: foil printing....is this a new process?

where can i get # for crown royal leaf so i can get product
 
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Old October 2nd, 2006 Oct 2, 2006 8:44:14 PM -   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: foil printing....is this a new process?

Tandami - you mention that its the same as a silk screen process, does this mean that u need the regular screen printing supplies or can it be done with a plasitol heat transfer?
 
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Old October 3rd, 2006 Oct 3, 2006 12:05:43 AM -   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: foil printing....is this a new process?

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Tandami - you mention that its the same as a silk screen process, does this mean that u need the regular screen printing supplies or can it be done with a plasitol heat transfer?
You might be able to do it as an outsourced heat transfer, though I wouldn't bet on it.

It's a two step process: print the glue, then press the foil. You might be able to print the glue to a carrier paper, press it at low heat, then press the foil. Glue being glue though, that might not be possible.

Your best bet would be to ring a couple of transfer printers and ask them.

That said, I assume there's a metallic vinyl on the market anyway, which would give you a similar effect without as much hassle.
 
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Default Re: foil printing....is this a new process?

Bother First Edition and Silver Mountain Graphics (likely others as well) do offer custom foil transfers. They cost a fair bit more than normal plastisol transfers do, though.
 
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Old May 23rd, 2008 May 23, 2008 8:00:27 AM -   #8 (permalink)
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Default Diffrent types of ink available for dtg i.e.direct to garment

Hi guys i am Neha.... I am making a project on printing... i want to know which diffrent types of ink is available for dtg printers ... is it poss to have plastisole ink and waterbase ink in same printer
 
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Default Re: foil printing....is this a new process?

the main thing i've learned with foil is that is HAS to cool before you pull the foil off. otherwise you get jagged edges.

Also, when you let the press up after pressing, just let it "pop" and hold it, then let it up slowly. it the press jerks up quickly, it can cause jagged edges, too. from what i've been told, the adhesive gets to the remelt point and wants to come up with the press. slow action lets it cool just that little bit before lifting the press.

good luck!
 
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Default Re: foil printing....is this a new process?

Can you have foil and Plastsol Ink on the same shirt. If so can you describe how this would be done. Thanks
 
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Default Re: foil printing....is this a new process?

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Can you have foil and Plastsol Ink on the same shirt. If so can you describe how this would be done. Thanks
Yes, but you will need a 'release agent' mixed in with the plastisol so that the foil doesn't bond to it.

Some colors don't work as well as others with this situation, like red. You may need to use a discharge ink instead.


Foiling is a long trial-and-error process, but once you've got it right, you're good to go!
 
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Default Re: foil printing....is this a new process?

What would be a good precess if using a release agent. Print the adhesive and color / then run thru dyer? / then heat press foil? or dry all on heat press?
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Default Re: foil printing....is this a new process?

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What would be a good precess if using a release agent. Print the adhesive and color / then run thru dyer? / then heat press foil? or dry all on heat press?
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You can also use waterbase ink, which foil won't stick to, for the colors in your design, and then use plastisol or the adhesive for the foil portion of the design. You can flash the adhesive/plastisol and the process of applying the foil should cure the waterbase and the plastiosl to it's final cure, if pressed long enough, is that correct? (I'm asking)

What if you do use the release agent, do you final cure the whole design, which means the adhesive is cured as well? Isn't that too much cure theoretically? I'm under the impression that the adhesive is to be flashed, not final cured. So do you just flash the multi color design to touch, and then rely on the heat press for final cure for all colors, that's my long winded question. Phew.
 
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Default Re: foil printing....is this a new process?

foil is a great effect. my only concern is that it peels and flakes off sometimes with multiple washings.
 
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Default Re: foil printing....is this a new process?

totally agree .. I always let the customer know that they need to take care of it if they want it to look cool for a while... Its not the most durable...but seems to be the new hotness!
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