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Old July 26th, 2007 Jul 26, 2007 7:01:55 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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I am printing a bunch of 2 color shirts. On some of the shirts there are little areas not being printed. This is only happening on an area of the print where there is another color underneath. I have cleaned the screens a few times and inspected it for left over emulsion, but all seems fine. Any idea what is going on!?
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For ink to transfer through the mesh you must have a combination of off-contact, mesh tension and squeegee pressure to overcome the off-contact and screen tension.

You can raise the screen in the press with wooden shims and use your squeegee as a mesh tensioning device.

You will be tempted to use a softer squeegee, but that just helps you SMASH the ink through the mesh, not use the force that a RESISTANT mesh and stiff squeegee create.

The ink should shoot through the mesh like toothpaste from a tube, AND pull itself out of the ink deposit film. Screen printing by definition is an off-contact medium and the squeegee should bring the stencil in momentary contact with the shirt and then pull itself out of the ink film.
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Screen printing by definition is an off-contact medium
Only if "by definition" you are allowing for the thickness of the mesh itself and the (desired) blockout of the stencil.
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Only if "by definition" you are allowing for the thickness of the mesh itself and the (desired) blockout of the stencil.
If the stencil touches the substrate, it is on-contact. It makes a bad print if the operator or the press has to pull the mesh out of the ink film. If the mesh doesn't resist the friction of the squeegee, it will move across the surface of what you are printing - ever so slightly, and when you lift the blade, the mesh will snap back (smearing the ink), and after the damage is done, the operator or the press or the mesh will pull the ink and stencil apart.

Demonstrate this by taking a finger and moving the skin on the back of your hand. That is the squeegee manipulating the mesh. Now make a fist and tighten the skin on the back of your hand. Now try to move the skin with your finger.

The longer ink and mesh mingle together the harder it is to separate them - even if it's fractions of a second. That is why I want the mesh to pull itself out of the ink film.

Yes, you have to adjust for ink deposit, mesh tension, ink tackiness. If you don't allow for the thickness of your ink deposit, stencil thickness, blockout, the mesh can't pull itself out of the ink film, right behind the squeegee blade.

By definition, screen printing doesn't work consistently if you print on-contact.

Yes, there are some electronic or ultra-stable images printed with stainless mesh (non-stretchable mesh), that are printed on-contact so there is no distortion and the press must pull the mesh out of the ink film. This is done with custom presses costing tens of thousands of dollars - not a textile press.

There are also printing schemes that use air pressure to transfer ink through the mesh with the top of the screen sealed and pressurized and the hard part is separating the mesh from the ink without smearing.
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There are also printing schemes that use air pressure to transfer ink through the mesh with the top of the screen sealed and pressurized and the hard part is separating the mesh from the ink without smearing.
One of my old clients has a 4 or 6 color automated hat press that works this way.
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By definition, screen printing doesn't work consistently if you print on-contact.
And then there's standard on-contact hand printing for short-run yardage. I don't think that screenprinting is off-contact "by definition".
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And then there's standard on-contact hand printing for short-run yardage. I don't think that screenprinting is off-contact "by definition".
OK. I retract that statement.

How should we help this 2 color printer in New Mexico with areas that are not printing? Do you think he should print on-contact or off-contact? Do you think textiles should be printed on-contact?

Why would anyone print yardage on-contact?

In the rail table printing that I've done, we printed off-contact.
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it seems there is a middle point between the screen being too clase and too far that works well.
 
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it seems there is a middle point between the screen being too clase and too far that works well.
That would be the proper height for the off contact
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