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Old March 6th, 2007 Mar 6, 2007 12:31:43 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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where can i buy a good but cheap screen printing machine, once i have the machine what else would i need? i'm very new to this so please help me out?
 
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Old March 6th, 2007 Mar 6, 2007 3:34:48 AM -   #2 (permalink)
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I've seen a six color six station Oddessy WorkHorse sell for just $700 cash on e-bay just last week. Another site that has lots of complete shops for sale ( usually cheap ) is Digitsmith.com. Your going to need a flash dryer and a convayer dryer, a exposure unit, a drying rack for screens, a printer for your computer to do seperations on, a backlit washout booth. And lots of smaller items like sqeegees, ink scoops ect.

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Old March 6th, 2007 Mar 6, 2007 8:37:40 AM -   #3 (permalink)
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isn't their a website that gives you all those items needed to get started as a whole package?
 
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Try silkscreeningsupplies.com
 
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Old March 6th, 2007 Mar 6, 2007 9:17:47 AM -   #5 (permalink)
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Be careful. Truthfully buying a screen printer is more important than buying a car. It can make a difference whether you enjoy printing or you do it because you bought one. I myself am thing of buying another printer. And I am thinking of going to the SBA to get a loan so I can buy new equipment.

Some quick fix all in one type printers are not quality. Why would I store screens below the press. If your looking to get into screen printing and want to try it out with out unloading a lot of dough. Try getting a table top printer. But remember you will need the rest of the shop too.

What I did with my first setup was to get a lease with a buy out option. They are pretty easy to get. And it would help to get you some equipment.
 
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wow major information harold thanx...are the steps complicated for screen printing?
 
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wow major information harold thanx...are the steps complicated for screen printing?
Not necessarily, but you will need to take some time to learn how to do it before you will be ready to print your shirts. If there are classes in your area it might be a good idea to check that out.
 
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Old March 6th, 2007 Mar 6, 2007 1:23:26 PM -   #8 (permalink)
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wow major information harold thanx...are the steps complicated for screen printing?
When I got into screen printing I don't know about 10 years ago. The first thing I did was go to the local art supply store and buy a speedball starter set. You can find them online. Speed ball offers this set that comes with a cheap frame and some hinges and the chemicals to make a screen.

I played around with that and made a b/w tshirt. And was thrilled. I would suggest you try this first. See if you like it before you invest $5000 worth of stuff to sit in your garage and later sell for $2000.

I will lay out what it takes to screen print for you. Well you get everything you need. You will need a dark room. A bathroom with no windows was mine. Also its good to have a shower head that has a gentle spray.

1) prep screen (clean it and make sure there is no dust)
2) in darkroom mix light sensitive coating for screen (When I started screen printing I went to whats called capillary film. Its a little more expensive but nicer to print with.)
3) evenly coat you screen with the emulsion (Kinda like a mud mixture)
4) let screen completely dry (1-2 hours)
5) make a positive of what you want on your shirt. There is a large range of things you can use. Special papers and programs. Or you could start off with just buying some inkjet transfer paper for projectors and print on that. Make sure you use a heavy coating of black.
6) now here comes the difficult part until you get the hang of it. You put the positive on the screen against the capillary film. Tons of equipment can be purchased for this. bought a coffee table with a glass top and put blacklights under it and a chiltons guide on top of the screen for extra pressure.
7) somehow you have to find the designated amount of time thats right for your emulsion and the amount of light you are using. When you find this out you can flash the screen with the light. Did I mention this was all in a darkroom?
8) once the screen is flashed and still in the darkroom. Use a gentle amount of room temperature water to rinse the screen. The image where there was black will washout exposing raw screen. This needs to be done thoroughly but not too much or you will was out detail.
9) you can turn the lights on and let the screen dry. A fan will help. A dehumidifier will help even more.
10) Once the screen is dry use plastic packing tape and surround the area of the screen not covered in emulsion with tape. Taping the fram will help clean up later.
11) now you can print your first shirt. Speedball Inks will dry on their own. But real screen printing inks require a high temperature oven with a belt to melt the plastisol. Or you can cheat and use a flash dryer to dry it to touch and heat press it the rest of the way.

Really things are much more complicated than that. That is the nutshell version. I could go on for hours about technique, proper flooding and cutting edges. But I am not. But I would suggest considering to spend money on a R. Jennings press. He helped me out. He is a good guy who cares about everyone who buys his shirts. He also provides the most boring lecture on how to screen print but you get it when you buy one of his presses.

The screen printing business is not easy. Thats why you will always find a used screen printer for sale. But if you want to do it as a hobby for extra money. I was making as much money selling shirts part time as I was working at a convience store. But the convience store was what brought me business. When I quit to do screen printing full time it was tough.

If there is a ISS show near you you ought to go before buying an expensive press. There are more than one way to skin a cat and 3 times as many ways to make a screen printer.
 
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Old March 6th, 2007 Mar 6, 2007 1:26:21 PM -   #9 (permalink)
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BUY THE BOOK....Screenprinting for fun and profit by Scott Fresner...it's the bible of our industry...plus there are ways to cut corners if ya aint got the green to buy those machines!LOL...anyways.. try CAPS screenprinting they have some great packages...we use their machines...but we like the Black Body dryers better.
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o.k well do you guys recommend this machine? it's cheap and i think it comes with all of the supplies?

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It looks a little wobbly and the video never shows them putting down the platens. So I am not sure what kind of registration it uses or how much tension the platen arms have. Nothing more exciting and accidentally slipping and launching your squegee. But its a pretty neat design. Almost never find a tabletop unit with 6 colors and 2 stations. Though truthfully why do you need 2 stations that spin for a small unit.

So I would say usable. But your still going to need a conveyor dryer. A flash dryer can cure ok but it can also burn a lot of them and warp your platens. you need a flash dryer but you still need a conveyor to do white on black.
 
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Old March 7th, 2007 Mar 7, 2007 2:44:56 AM -   #12 (permalink)
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Looks like junk to me. Unless all you want to print is one color stuff. The first time you'll need Micro Adjustments you'll curse the day you bought it.


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Here's a link to CAPS start up packages.... Screen Printing Equipment, T-Shirt Printers, Cap Printers, Dryers
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thank you guys for all your help one more question can i use my regular printer hp photosmart 1315 to print designs on? oh yeah one more question how about this starter package.....thank you guys so much for all your help

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o.k well do you guys recommend this machine? it's cheap and i think it comes with all of the supplies?

Semi Pro PLUS Complete Screen Printing Package
I bought that very package about a year ago. It's a decent one for starting up, if you aren't sure you are really getting into the business or not. I do multi-color jobs on it all the time. It's takes extra time and testing to get the jobs registered, but it works. I'm looking to upgrade to a micro system now.

You do not need a conveyor dryer. I've been printing for a year and do not have a dryer. It's more convenient, but considering the price, I would not recommend buying one until you are sure you want to do it long term. You can cure shirts just fine with a flash dryer. And warping platens is not a problem if you get a curing table. Never cure on the platens.

So if you are not sure you want to do this for the long term, this is a good package to start with. And I would also do a lot of reading and studying before buying a lot of stuff. It takes a lot of work and experience to do quality screen printing.
 
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