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Old January 15th, 2007 Jan 15, 2007 6:13:10 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Question Inkjet positive film recommendation?

I have an epson printer that i'm printing my positive film on and i have rip. I'm working with fine detail and halftones and will be doing multi-color prints. I know extreme fine detail will be hard to achieve with this epson, but with what i'm working with- what would be the best medium(vellum, transparency, etc) to print a positive on?
A guy i talked to today said that vellum isn't that good for doing multi-color jobs and isn't the best for fine detail. And for inkjet transparency film- i'm confused about this- a lot of sites don't say if the paper is double coated or what.
I'm also looking for something around the price or lower than $50 for a box of 100 sheets 13" wide- i'd also settle for 11" wide. If there is a product that is more expensive but highly worth the investment please suggest.
Anyone have any good recommendations ?
 
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Old January 15th, 2007 Jan 15, 2007 7:46:39 PM -   #2 (permalink)
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I use Kimoto Silkjet. It's available in a number of sizes. Where I buy it, 8½ x 14 is $51.24 for 100 sheets. It's a clear film, not a vellum, and I think it's WONDERFUL.
 
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Depends on what model of the Epson Printer you are using. The Kimoto Silkjet is good for the Epson 3000 or some older gerneration Epson's printer. The newer Epson Printer used the pigment ink instead of the dye ink, so you need to use some waterproof film. You may check on the usscreenprinter.net's FastPositive, it work great on the Epson Printer, and my customer never had any complain of it.

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I use a waterproof film made for inkjet. It truly is the bomb. I also have an epson rip setup.........You can find it at quikseps.com, they call it quikfilm. It dries instantly w/o any smudge or smear....It prints halftones like a laser. Hope this helps.
 
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i went to pearl paint and was told acetate was th best to use. its the only thing i've used so far
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Old February 25th, 2007 Feb 25, 2007 4:21:18 AM -   #6 (permalink)
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I use a waterproof film made for inkjet. It truly is the bomb. I also have an epson rip setup.........You can find it at quikseps.com, they call it quikfilm. It dries instantly w/o any smudge or smear....It prints halftones like a laser. Hope this helps.
Does this film work with EPSON R1800, and do i have to use FAST INK or can i use the EPSON ink
 
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Does this film work with EPSON R1800, and do i have to use FAST INK or can i use the EPSON ink
That I'm not sure of. I have a 2200 with a cis using non-epson dye inks w/o any issues. I can't tell you that, that is the way for you to go though. With any after market equipment you have to weigh the pros, and cons for youself. I talked with the people at quikseps recently, seems they are having a hard time getting the film from their supplier. I hope that it is a short term issue, the stuff great. It comes in sizes 8.5x11 up to 17x22, they have rolls too.
 
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That I'm not sure of. I have a 2200 with a cis using non-epson dye inks w/o any issues. I can't tell you that, that is the way for you to go though. With any after market equipment you have to weigh the pros, and cons for youself. I talked with the people at quikseps recently, seems they are having a hard time getting the film from their supplier. I hope that it is a short term issue, the stuff great. It comes in sizes 8.5x11 up to 17x22, they have rolls too.
I hope so too because this is way cheaper than FASTpos, and I think about ordering this positive Monday. Hope they have it in stock
 
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Default Re: Inkjet positive film recommendation?

We also have a waterproof inkjet film at a fraction of the cost. It works with the pigment or dye based inks.

I would not print on an inkjet without a RIP, though. It is necessary a for dense films. I do see you have a RIP, so that's the right direction.
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Default Re: Inkjet positive film recommendation?

i bought the quikseps paper- it was expensive agh for 139 for a box of 100- i bought it out of frustration of confusion about which film would be best

all in all- i definitely spent waay too much!!!!!!- $139 for a box of 100 sheets....
I could've gone with the kimono at like half the cost and i tried the kimono and got the same results. I should've listened to the person who recommended that- kimono seems to be the cheapest high quality film out there. if you know of others please keep suggesting. the guy who recommended quikseps probably works for them... thats the problem with a lot of posts on here- its too many company owners/workers trying to sell you their **** instead of real people recommending lowcost and quality products.....


regardless i still think this forum is extremely useful

quikseps is waterproof- thats the word that sucked me in- but what does waterproof really matter- i'm not using a waterproof ink if that matters and in the shop work area the chance of water spillage is minimal-
maybe waterproof does make a big difference and i'm ignorant on the subject- all of this is a possibility- but i question the on this- is it just a real neccessity for waterproof or is it for marketing purposes because people want to make money off of business owners- (which is key to the economy unfortunately but when your starting up its rough)

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Default Re: Inkjet positive film recommendation?

One reason we actually started selling film was because of the high cost. Ours is waterproof that's why it may be a little more expensive than what you are looking for. I know one of the major brands of non-waterproof film is $97.50 for 100 sheets of 13x18 for 10 or more boxes, whereas their waterproof is $203 for 10 or more boxes.

We don't carry anything except waterproof film and one box is $175 and 10 or more is $125, pretty close to their non-waterproof costs. Waterproof film is just a better film, but to be honest, $50 for 100 sheets of 13"x18 is going to be hard to come by. Not only that, but you won't find it coated on 2 sides, it's not necessary.

Why was the film no good? Was it not dense enough? If it wasn't dense enough, are you using a RIP? If not, you won't get the density you need. One easy way to find out which side is coated is to wet your finger and touch a corner. Whichever side is sticky will be the coated side.

I know of one company that I used to buy film from that carries the Kimoto non-waterproof inkjet film for $98.50 for a box of 100, 13x18. If you want, let me know and I'll get their information for you.
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I'm the guy that mentioned quikseps. I do not work for them, and never have. If you look through anything Iv'e posted they're just responses of personal experience. I just re-read your original post. I did'nt than and still don't now see that you were really looking for both sides coated. I know Iv'e tried 3-4 different vellums to no avail, for what I'm looking for. Quikseps works for me, I am very happy with it, I do with it what you said you were looking for, halftones, fine detail, and multi-colored prints. It is costly, but for me it was cheaper than fastfilms. Jered Hill sounds like he might have what your looking for, and maybe closer to what your looking to spend. (I don't work for him either). I guess I just took for granted that you knew water proof films with your settup was going to be a bit costly. I might be interested in buying your quikfilms though.
 
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Hey Groggman, I was looking this morning for some other films that could help them out. I came across 13x19 for $50 something, then I looked closer and saw it was for only 50 sheets. They weren't waterproof either, so again, I just don't see someone paying only $50 for 100 sheets of inkjet film waterproof or non-waterproof.
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Yeah I did a few days, a lot of hrs. search for the stuff I use(I won't mention any names). It is hard to find anything much cheaper. I may have to try the kimono myself, Blacksheephybrid says he got the same result. Oh, and I noticed I spelled your name wrong in the last post. Sorry about.
 
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I used to use this printer called an alps. It printed with a water proof plastic. And I would go to office depot and buy plain tansfers (the clear plastic used for overhead projectors)... That was almost the best to use. Of course money well spent with an OYO positive printer. But then again you get what you pay for.
 
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