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Tigerguy · April 22nd, 2009

Can the Silver Press from Ryonet be fitted with micro-registrtation or would the expense and work involved be too much?

InkedApparel · April 22nd, 2009

I would be interested to see tha answer to this question...i recently purchased the 4c 2s silver press from Ryonet and micros would be huge...
Thanks

Inked

Tj Ryonet Tech · April 22nd, 2009

The silver press is a great press, but keep in mind its still a starter press. By the time you retrofit any starter press with something that comes on a pro line press you're going to be in the ball park price range of a pro line press anyway, with that said we are looking into it.

Fingerpainter · May 12th, 2009

Well I'm fairly new to screen printing but how hard/expensive would it be to outfit starter presses with this micro registration unit? SCREEN PRINTING EQUIPMENT AND ATTACHMENTS

aaltier · May 12th, 2009

TJ, Do you think the silver press could be fitted with the above micro kit?

Tj Ryonet Tech · May 12th, 2009

We are in contact with them and exploring the combination. I will keep you all posted as to the results. It will take about 2 weeks but I won't forget you guys.

ambitious · May 12th, 2009

Yes please let us know how it goes, will be waiting. Thank's

snackdaddy185 · May 12th, 2009

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Originally Posted by Fingerpainter


	Well I'm fairly new to screen printing but how hard/expensive would it be to outfit starter presses with this micro registration unit? SCREEN PRINTING EQUIPMENT AND ATTACHMENTS

I just purchased one micro attatchment recently just out of curiousity. I don't have the silver press but the press that I have doesn't have micros. I haven't installed the head yet cuz I need to drill new holes for the head to fit. But from what I can tell you it seems pretty solid, but we will see how well it hold regsistration. I'll let you know when I have it set up.

Tigerguy · May 13th, 2009

Thanks for the feedback and thanks TJ for the response. Keep us posted!

mattvon · May 13th, 2009

Yeah, I'd be VERY interested in the answer as well, thanks!

tpitman · May 16th, 2009

I'll chime in here with my humble opinion, having never owned either the press mentioned, nor the Livingston system. I did, however, own a CAPS press with micros, and it was about the cheapest press you could buy new at the time that had micros (I paid $1650 for it brand new). All I can say is that the micros were almost unusable. The problem with the cheaply manufactured micro components (and the rest of the press was actually quite good) was tolerances were very poor. Too much lash in the threads of the micros, so that when you moved one in one direction, the others would move just enough to throw things off. What you pay for in a high-end press is the precision. I currently have a Vastex 2000HD 8/4, and what makes it work so well is that the micros are spring-loaded, so that the various micro screws are tensioned within the threads, resulting in linear movement. Antec Legends are set up the same way. Others, such as M&R Chameleons which use the turnbuckle style of micros have higher tolerances in their machining.
I'm not trying to knock the silver press, or really even the livingston system, but you get what you pay for, and as TJRyonet says, by the time you manufacture a good micro system into an inexpensive starter press, it's not inexpensive anymore. They sell the Riley Hopkins presses, which (while I'm not sure about the joystick system) are a decent press at a reasonable price, and they're available to be fitted with standard micros, although there are fans of the joystick. Looking at the Livingston photos, I'm not sure that those micros are that good as far as thread tolerances go. In a nutshell, there really is no way to beat the system. People who buy entry level presses, even those from major manufacturers, who then bellyache about the quality, have only themselves to blame for trying to get "something for nothing". A lot of us have learned that lesson the hard (and expensive) way. If you're buying an entry level press, know that you're not getting the same thing for $700 that the rest of us are paying $4000 - $6000 for, and accept it's limitations. An inexpensive press will print t-shirts, but set-ups for multi-color work requiring tight registration will be difficult, and all the variables involved in getting everything working together, from accurate films, to tight screens, decent stencils, and registration on the press, are what makes the rest of us "suckers" pay good money for a high-end press.

mattvon · May 16th, 2009

I appreciate the honest evaluation...and I'm sure you're right. I'm a newbie when it comes to screenprinting, so I'm always interested in the advice and experience of guys who have been doing it for years.

That said, I'm interested in getting better performance from the press I currently own. Setting realistic expectations is important, but my thoughts are that microregistration, even if it's not as well manufactured or implemented as other systems, will make my prints easier to register. That's my main goal.

I'm sure if I continue to screenprint and become more serious about it that I'll end up upgrading to a different press. For now I'm just hoping that Ryonet will be able to add micro to the silver press.

tpitman · May 17th, 2009

You might try getting in touch with Neil at this address:

[email address]

In posts over at screenprinters.net, he used to offer plans via a downloadable .pdf for setting up a micro system that would work on any press. The plans were cheap, and in fact, I bought them. I don't know if he still sells them, but you could give him a shout. I didn't see them on his website as being available for purchase. If he does, and you buy them, you'll kick yourself in the butt at how simple a concept they are. How well they work in practice, I don't know having never actually used them, but it might be the ticket for someone on a shoestring budget and an entry level press that has no micros. There were parts of the concept that I'd have improved with hardware upgrades, but as he describes it, you may very well have the stuff laying around in your garage or utility room to make it . . . it was that simple and cheap.

Mike Ronesia · June 10th, 2009

What is considered normal variance for micro and non-micro? Are we talking 1mm vs. 5mm or .5mm vs. 10mm? I've been sending my stuff out and would like to do it myself but in needs to be very tight.