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Old April 12th, 2009 Apr 12, 2009 9:32:24 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Screen reclaimer?

Ok, I haven't checked at all.

But does anyone know of a way to make homemade reclaimer?

Or if it's possible.
 
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Old April 12th, 2009 Apr 12, 2009 9:39:47 PM -   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Screen reclaimer?

no need to make any,
just use good old fashioned bleach

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Old April 12th, 2009 Apr 12, 2009 10:21:02 PM -   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Screen reclaimer?

I would stay away from the bleach, nasty, screen reclaimer is so cheap anyone, not worth blowing something up!
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Old April 12th, 2009 Apr 12, 2009 10:46:20 PM -   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Screen reclaimer?

yeah you always end up paying more if you head down th cheap road
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Old April 12th, 2009 Apr 12, 2009 11:01:48 PM -   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: Screen reclaimer?

I agree use the reclaimer but if your in a pinch use the bleach to get you by. That was the question asked. Have you ever tried using an alternative anything
Reclaimer-- Bleach
Drycleaning fluid--- Berrymans Carb Cleaner
Degreaser----- Simple Green
Spray adhesive---- Elmers spray tack glue
Transfer Paper---Vinyl backing paper
You never know untill you try and all of these work in a pinch
 
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Old April 13th, 2009 Apr 13, 2009 3:11:58 PM -   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: Screen reclaimer?

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if your in a pinch use the bleach to get you by. That was the question asked.
The question wasn't that specific, so we don't know that that was "the question asked" at all. But based on precedent, you're most likely wrong - most people who want "household" solutions want to cut corners (in other words they're after permanent solutions, not something to use in a pinch).

With some aspects of screenprinting, that's a good way to save time and money. When it comes to chemicals, personally I recommend using professional supplies.
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Default Re: Screen reclaimer?

Are you saying I'm wrong about using Bleach as an alternative to Reclaimer.Theres alot of the same properties in bleach as in the reclaimer.
The question that was asked was
does anyone know of a way to make homemade reclaimer
My reply was
no need to make any,
just use good old fashioned bleach
so I think I answered his question.
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Are you saying I'm wrong about using Bleach as an alternative to Reclaimer.
I said you were (probably) wrong when you said "[what to use in a pinch] was the question asked".

And yes, you're wrong about using bleach as an alternative to reclaimer. Which is not the same as saying it doesn't work.

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Originally Posted by denck
so I think I answered his question.
Yes you did - which is sometimes the worst way to actually help someone
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Default Re: Screen reclaimer?

so tell me Old Wise-one why cant you use bleach?
I've used it many times & it works the same or better than reclaimer. Granted my Diptank is full of reclaimer but thats not what were talking about. You said I'm wrong- Tell me why
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Default Re: Screen reclaimer?

To Quote Richard Greaves:


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Water or solvent resistance of a stencil depends on the complete cross-linking of the ingredients by the sensitizer with UV energy. If the exposure time is too short, or UV energy doesn't move all the way through the stencil, the cross-linking is incomplete, and complete resistance isn't achieved.

UV energy reacts with diazo or photopolymer sensitizer in the stencil and causes a chemical cross-link between the two components that make up the "emulsion". Linked together, and woven in and out of your mesh, the exposed/cured/hardened stencil will not dissolve with water and rinse own the drain.

Industrial stencil removers use Sodium MetaPeriodate (SMP, CAS 7790-28-5), to attack these cross-links, releasing breaking down the stencil so it will dissolve, and you can reclaim the mesh and coat it again.

If you let this "soup' of stencil remover & emulsion dry on the mesh before you can rinse them down the drain, they form a new chemical bond that is permanent. There is no chemical to break down this chemical combination except the brute force of water pressure. Yes you will also lose mesh tension blasting the mesh as it vibrates like a drum, if the stencil doesn't come out. If you use 3,000 psi water, you don't even need a chemical to breakdown your stencil, but it helps to have tight mesh to resist the pulsing water from a pressure washer.

This this hard to reclaim effect also happens with under-exposed stencils. No cross-links - hard to reclaim.

A stencil may have worked OK with harmless plastisol, but if you clean the ink with a strong solvent, the solvent can attack the defenseless under-exposed stencil and chemically bond it to the mesh that only a razor blade can fix.


Bleach is used to remove gelatin indirect stencils, but bleach is inferior to SMP for breaking UV cross-linked diazo or SBQ. It takes more bleach to do the work of a small amount of SMP.

Many will answer, "but it works", this is a classic do you have time or money question.

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Default Re: Screen reclaimer?

There you go. Richard put it better than I ever could (thanks TJ for the timely quote).

I'd also add that, unlike bleach, reclaimer has never made me dizzy or given me a headache.
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Default Re: Screen reclaimer?

I think i'll give bleach a try
 
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Default Re: Screen reclaimer?

I'm reading this thread for the first time tonight & I'm grumbling like Popeye...... AND THEN! I'm laughing out loud.

TJ & Solmu, you made my day, and then T. O. decides to try bleach and triggers my interest in the new posts section.

Good. You should all try bleach. It takes more bleach to do the work of a small amount of SMP.

Remember not to mix it with scouring cleansers or you get that ole World War I favorite, hydrogen phosgene gas.
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Default Re: Screen reclaimer?

Hey , thanks .I think I'll order some reclaimer!
 
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Default Re: Screen reclaimer?

First of all, I started this thread on a different account and really didn't intend for this kind of response. But...

The reason I was even looking at bleach was because I only had one used screen and needed it for a same day project. While having no professional supplies as I do now, I quickly turned to good old google, which led me here.

So thank you all for your help.
 
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