Discuss the different methods of adding some bling to your designs. Rhinestone and rhinestud transfers, templates, equipment, software and supplies are inlcuded in this forum.
Why not leave it to the Experts? Hi All: I think I am going to open my self up to a bit of critique here, but there is no offence intended: Just would like feedback.
We have been in the “Hotfix” business for over 12 years now & just specialize in this. Our background is in the textile industry covering the last 25 years, so we know our trade. We have worked with the same Hotfix rhinestone company for the last 7 years & I have personally spent a lot of time in the factories in china. We buy our rhinestones direct from the manufacturer in Korea. We ensure the welfare of the production team in china & do not outsource.We have a great dedicated team, from our designers here in the UK to the production girls in the factory in china.
Why do people think that spending all money this upfront money on cutters/software & consumables is viable, when at the end of the day the finished transfers (in my opinion) are rather shoddy & are bringing the Rhinestone business down a peg or two. I understand that in print shops there is a need to offer rhinestone embellishment, but why not leave it to the experts:
We are specialists; we have over 3000 different available components to choose from in our work & offer clients excellent delivery times & very competive pricing structures. We know which transfer papers to use for specific fabric types; we test our components with ISO accredited labs on a monthly basis. We are investing in our people, clients & our product.
Can somebody enlighten me as to the costs & time involved in creating a design for example: with 1480 crystal in 3 different sizes for a transfer dimension of 53cm x 14cm that costs me £1.08/$1.7 shipped, in Korean crystal, just out of interest? 200 units delivered to me in the UK with-in 3 days. Image attached. http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/u...mpledesign.jpg
Don’t mean to sound to bitter or twisted, just curious.
12 years ago when you started there was someone out there asking that same question about you. You have to start somewhere.
I recommend you put some energy into showing people the advantages of using your experience and connections to source hotfix materials to enhance their business. People often choose to do things themselves when they don't see, or know about, an alternative.
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First i would like to no who said that you are an expert? If you are such a professional why are you here on this forum? If your product is far better than what we could ever hope to produce then it would speak for itself you would not have to come here and tell us how good you are.
I am also confused... you said that you get your rhinestones from the manufacturer in Korea and that you oversea the production in China. You do no that those are two different places right? Are you saying you buy your stones in Korea then ship them to China?....what a crock! If you are dealing with Chinese factories you are producing a bunch of garbage like that ugly arse motif you posted.
You are so full of it! Crawl back under that rock!
It is quite obvious to me that this is a company that is just trying to sell their products. It is not unusual for the manufacturers in China to use Korean rhinestones because of the higher quality. Although,I think he is in the wrong forum
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I have been all through Aisa on the hunt for goods and it is my experience that if you can get the stones from Korea, you can have the motifs made there as well and guess what...it is cheaper.
Factories in China will tell you that they also have a factory in Korea and 99% of the time that is not the case. They say that so you can think that the stones are actually Korean when in fact they are China made Korean stones hence the grading like A, AA, AAA.
There would be no need to get stones from Korea then ship to a China factory for production. This dude is bogus!!!
Why not leave it to the Experts? Hi All: I think I am going to open my self up to a bit of critique here, but there is no offence intended: Just would like feedback.
We have been in the “Hotfix” business for over 12 years now & just specialize in this. Our background is in the textile industry covering the last 25 years, so we know our trade. We have worked with the same Hotfix rhinestone company for the last 7 years & I have personally spent a lot of time in the factories in china. We buy our rhinestones direct from the manufacturer in Korea. We ensure the welfare of the production team in china & do not outsource.We have a great dedicated team, from our designers here in the UK to the production girls in the factory in china.
If this is really true then you should no that Korea and China are different. You stated that you get your rhinestones from Korea...how do yo get them to the factory in China? Why send them to a factory in China for production instead of having them shipped to your company where you can make the rhinestones.
I have had motifs made in China and honestly mine are better.
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Why do people think that spending all money this upfront money on cutters/software & consumables is viable, when at the end of the day the finished transfers (in my opinion) are rather shoddy & are bringing the Rhinestone business down a peg or two.
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I understand that in print shops there is a need to offer rhinestone embellishment, but why not leave it to the experts: We are specialists; we have over 3000 different available components to choose from in our work & offer clients excellent delivery times & very competive pricing structures. We know which transfer papers to use for specific fabric types; we test our components with ISO accredited labs on a monthly basis. We are investing in our people, clients & our product.
If you are such an expert why are you having the motifs made in China? Why are you not making them yourself since you have over 3000 different componets to choose from?
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Can somebody enlighten me as to the costs & time involved in creating a design for example: with 1480 crystal in 3 different sizes for a transfer dimension of 53cm x 14cm that costs me £1.08/$1.7 shipped, in Korean crystal, just out of interest?
Don’t mean to sound to bitter or twisted, just curious.
First of all the design you posted is booty and no one would even order that old lady crap. But by chance someone did I could make it and it would look better.
I would have to agree that he is just trying to sell his items.
I don't agree that he is just trying to sell his goods. If he is, that is a pretty poor way of marketing.
I believe he is scared and frustrated that his long-time business model is falling apart. As technology improvements are made in the industry the required equipment has been made accessible to more people. That opens up the market for competition. Competition means that prices will go down, thus taking money out of his pocket.
Businesses live and die through innovation. If you are putting out the same stuff you were 10 years ago, you won't be doing it long. Embrace change. It is the only constant in this world.
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I expected a little critique as I mentioned but not as vitriolic as some of the posts:
Firstly let me address the issues as they have arisen:
I am not trying to sell my goods or promote our company that was not the purpose of this post.
When we first started buying transfers, we did infact buy form Korean manufacturers of transfers: I spent a lot of time with these companies learning the ropes & sourcing the materials. As the Chinese economy opened up fully & the Korean market suffered from the inflationary effects of success (higher labour costs, etc) we had the opptounity to visit & meet with a number of Chinese companies through trade events.
We spent a lot of time actively searching for people who we could trust & work with. As a number of people have pointed out, it is sometimes the case that Chinese manufacturers/products can leave something to be desired, but look at the clothes/shoes/household products you are using, many of these items are made in china… are they all of such poor quality?
We buy the majority of our products in Korea & fly them out to china by pigeon…..
How do you think we get them there!!!! We, through long term relationships buy at comparatively low rates at regular times & ship them to china, once again very competitively…
We know exactly where our products are made & how they are made…we know the content of the products & the products are tested to confirm this.
As to the design that I posted. You would have to take that up with a well European Fashion Company…But if you have to keep your finger on the pulse of fashion, then you would be aware of current trends & storyboards for the coming seasons…it looks great in the correct context.
I sincerely look forward to your further comments…but maybe more in answer to my original question.
PS: I would be very happy to answer & help with any questions people have on a more “on topic” issue with rhinestones & there uses etc, rather than reading posts from people who should know better than to poor derision on a serious question.
While I tend to agree with most of the comments, I'll give you a very good reason why many shops are adding hotfix to their arsenals:
I don't necessarily want 200 of YOUR designs that take 2 weeks (at best) to arrive. I want 10, 30, 50, 100 of my customer's logo/company/design, and I want to produce them on my schedule.
While I tend to agree with most of the comments, I'll give you a very good reason why many shops are adding hotfix to their arsenals:
I don't necessarily want 200 of YOUR designs that take 2 weeks (at best) to arrive. I want 10, 30, 50, 100 of my customer's logo/company/design, and I want to produce them on my schedule.
My sentiments exactly. I want to produce the amount I need on my schedule. If I only need one then I don't want to have to buy 12 or more to get that one.
My sentiments exactly. I want to produce the amount I need on my schedule. If I only need one then I don't want to have to buy 12 or more to get that one.
Thank you: This is exactly the kind of "sensible" answer i was trying to get, a debate on this topic.....
But can these systems justify the costs involved. What are the Maths?
I am from the US. I run a screen printing business. I have nothing to do with rhinestones, but it's all the same.
I wont leave it to the experts because,
I am important. My work is important. And my business is important.
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Thank you: This is exactly the kind of "sensible" answer i was trying to get, a debate on this topic.....
But can these systems justify the costs involved. What are the Maths?
A customer who insists on rhinestone designs for custom work is either going to accept the costs or choose a different style of garment.
Comparing low quantity custom costs to high-quantity stock designs is apples to oranges.
Why not leave it to the Experts? 
