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Old March 15th, 2017 Mar 15, 2017 8:45:56 AM -   #31 (permalink)
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They have a xerox (probably a $50k machine with ever bell and whistle one could ever imagine)

... but used lease returns that are rebuilt can be had for a reasonable lease payment... and if it were me I'd shy away from Xerox as they are overpriced for bells and whistles that in this industry we don't need (and honestly, I don't they do as good of repeatability vs others manufactures that are less expensive eg compact konica/minoltas...

I have seen used color copiers sold off for $350 with new toner and drum (or low numbers on each)... yes they are a rare find but they can be had... Have I bought one, no simply because I have an agreement that runs thru 2018 for all my color copy/printing/cutting needs
With a $200 machine and JPSS paper I can make white tshirts that after the first wash:

1. No hand, nada zero feeling none.
2. No background "box" no need to trim, although not sold as "weedfree" it is effectively just that.

If I sell on occasional light color t-shirt (non white) then I use Image clip printed on my OKI. Since the light colors of the tshirt will blend with the laser (or copier) toners and is not opaque there are limited opportunities with that. I prefer plastisol transfers for light colors if they are needed to be "weedfree" or I use simple cut vinyl.

On darks I use Jet Opaque II. I find it doesn't crack and the colors are bright and permanent. It requires cutting unlike JPSS, but like all opaques it has some hand. I cut it with a vinyl cutter.

If one is to find a copier for only $350 bucks the first time it would need service it would most likely exceed what you could pay for a brand new inkjet. My money says you just got suckered into a huge money pit buying a used copy machine. The papers used on copiers are more or less laser papers.

Buying a new copier, leasing it, or buying a cheap one is irrational. The industry moved away from copiers in the 90's for custom t-shirt transfers.

I'm sure that since you can buy 3 white DTG machines for the price of one $50K copier or lease a white DTG cheaper, then that would be the reason you don't see much chatter on any imprinting site or much heat transfer vendor advertisements about such copiers. For those that chose toner based transfers they moved on from copiers once color laser printers became affordable.
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Old March 15th, 2017 Mar 15, 2017 3:45:35 PM -   #32 (permalink)
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I'm in much the same situation, but maybe with a bigger budget. I was lamenting the lack of affordable A3 White Toner Oki printers in Australia (all hover around $20k AUD), but noticed recently the range of Uninet iColor laser/led printers. The 500 seems to be an A4 with white printer, and the 600 model does A3 with White and Black, but at a great price. Has anyone used Uninet printers, and are the internals compatible with the Oki range of printers? They seem to be just rebadged Oki's.
I could ship you one for 1/3 of the quid... you could have C920WT which does 12" wide (to 47" long if so inclined) for under $11K AU$ with shipping... I don't have a clue about your import tariffs--perhaps that's where 1/2 the price is coming from?!?
 
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I do inkjet transfers but have plenty of full color shirts made on a Canon full sized toner color copier that are over 15 years old, well worn, super soft and no cracking - look like nice old comfy screen prints. My sister did these with her print shop and after they got the hang of it, did over 13,000 shirts with that machine with no problems. Used the service contract for care and supplies and made out very profitably.
If I could put one in my house and use that for transfer printing I'd do it in a heart beat!

That being said, I'm looking at Epson printers with a pigment ink CIS for one off shirts and want to thank everyone for all of the helpful information on this thread.
 
 
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On the OKI printers, I've been comparing the cost vs quality with ink jet transfers. I called Coastal but the sales rep said the color laser prints crack easily - do you find that to be true?
 
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I do inkjet transfers but have plenty of full color shirts made on a Canon full sized toner color copier that are over 15 years old, well worn, super soft and no cracking - look like nice old comfy screen prints. My sister did these with her print shop and after they got the hang of it, did over 13,000 shirts with that machine with no problems. Used the service contract for care and supplies and made out very profitably.
If I could put one in my house and use that for transfer printing I'd do it in a heart beat!

That being said, I'm looking at Epson printers with a pigment ink CIS for one off shirts and want to thank everyone for all of the helpful information on this thread.

$$$$$$$ for that copier

and results are at least the same or better with a sub $200 inkjet printer.



= an irrational investment. It was good in it's day when it was all there was. In 2017 you will be hard pressed to see anyone using these.
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On the OKI printers, I've been comparing the cost vs quality with ink jet transfers. I called Coastal but the sales rep said the color laser prints crack easily - do you find that to be true?
Some laser transfers will crack, but not all.

I used some from "One-Step" that didn't crack in an OKI I have. But what I find with that was it would fade a lot after the initial wash, not so much afterwards with subsequent washes, but the initial wash really too much color loss.

Using JPSS and pigment inks you will make a permanent t-shirt, that after the first wash will lose any hand it had initially and if on a white garment the "box" effect of the clear polymer virtually doesn't show. I have t-shirts that are many years old and washed over 50 times.

Lasers are advantageous in that they don't need as much maintenance (no clogging banding etc) and print faster if you are doing many of the same design at once.

Also, a tabloid size laser which is really needed for larger t-shirts is about $1500 +

A 13x19 inkjet is under $200.

OEM toner and inks are going to cost about the same. About a buck for a letter size on inkjet and about the same on an OKI since to get the transfer to pop to need to use the "toner saver" feature set to "off" to get the best looking transfer, so it's about double the toner.

For 3rd party pigment inks vs. the 3rd party laser toners ink jet is much cheaper.

Laser has more specialty papers for heat transfer than available for inkjet.
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Old March 20th, 2017 Mar 20, 2017 1:53:21 PM -   #37 (permalink)
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Default Re: Best budget printer for heat transfer 2016

You bring up some great points that reinforce my thoughts about going back to ink jet transfers instead of trying laser or dyes. Thanks.
 
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I had great results with the 1430 until I decided to use 3rd party pigment ink that I purchased from one the vendors here on the forum.

After about a month of usage with the Pigment Ink the printer got clogged and wouldn't print correctly. I used it daily so it never sat up. I took it to a shop and they wanted $200 to repair it. I purchased mine it directly from Epson for $279 so I wasn't about to give them $200 for a repair. The thing is, the shirts I printed with the Epson Ink still looks better that the Pigment after 50+ washes. I am looking to start printing T-Shirts again and will most likely purchase a 1430 again. But this time I am sticking to their ink. I know some people, a lot of people are having great luck with the 3rd party inks, but it didn't work for me. Now I just have a nice 1430 paperweight in the garage.
 
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I had great results with the 1430 until I decided to use 3rd party pigment ink that I purchased from one the vendors here on the forum.

After about a month of usage with the Pigment Ink the printer got clogged and wouldn't print correctly. I used it daily so it never sat up. I took it to a shop and they wanted $200 to repair it. I purchased mine it directly from Epson for $279 so I wasn't about to give them $200 for a repair. The thing is, the shirts I printed with the Epson Ink still looks better that the Pigment after 50+ washes. I am looking to start printing T-Shirts again and will most likely purchase a 1430 again. But this time I am sticking to their ink. I know some people, a lot of people are having great luck with the 3rd party inks, but it didn't work for me. Now I just have a nice 1430 paperweight in the garage.
Dye ink is proven to wash out.

I can prove it with a simple experiment that anyone here can test and repeat with the Claria inks. There are many posts here on that Claria issues.

If you think customers don't perspire (which will cause it to bleed or fade out) or if they would never use warm or hot wash water, you are mistaken.

I cringe when people mention dye inks when one only has to read the many many horror stories posted here.

Most likely your 3rd party ink issues was not the pigment ink but the system you choose you used to deliver it. Most issues are not really clogging, but lack of proper setup and maintenance of the 3rd party ink delivery system, which is really lack of vacuum. The end result looks the same as "clogging", so people mis-understand the difference.
 
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I had great results with the 1430 until I decided to use 3rd party pigment ink that I purchased from one the vendors here on the forum.

After about a month of usage with the Pigment Ink the printer got clogged and wouldn't print correctly. I used it daily so it never sat up. I took it to a shop and they wanted $200 to repair it. I purchased mine it directly from Epson for $279 so I wasn't about to give them $200 for a repair. The thing is, the shirts I printed with the Epson Ink still looks better that the Pigment after 50+ washes. I am looking to start printing T-Shirts again and will most likely purchase a 1430 again. But this time I am sticking to their ink. I know some people, a lot of people are having great luck with the 3rd party inks, but it didn't work for me. Now I just have a nice 1430 paperweight in the garage.
On another point.

The 1430 was calibrated and designed for DYE inks. When you state "The thing is, the shirts I printed with the Epson Ink still looks better that the Pigment after 50+ washes" what did you expect when you put something into the printer that it wasn't calibrated for?

Best practice would be to have a profile created for the pigment inks or buy from a vendor that provides such thing.

Your mis-fortunes are due to lack of understand of this technology.
 
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I had great results with the 1430 until I decided to use 3rd party pigment ink that I purchased from one the vendors here on the forum.

After about a month of usage with the Pigment Ink the printer got clogged and wouldn't print correctly. I used it daily so it never sat up. I took it to a shop and they wanted $200 to repair it. I purchased mine it directly from Epson for $279 so I wasn't about to give them $200 for a repair. The thing is, the shirts I printed with the Epson Ink still looks better that the Pigment after 50+ washes. I am looking to start printing T-Shirts again and will most likely purchase a 1430 again. But this time I am sticking to their ink. I know some people, a lot of people are having great luck with the 3rd party inks, but it didn't work for me. Now I just have a nice 1430 paperweight in the garage.
So I am not the only one who has had aftermarket 1430 issues ... and to whoever thought the warranty would be a swap here's proof that Epson isn't going to play ball... Anyone willing to pay for the shipping I have 2 1430s they can have...
 
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Dye ink is proven to wash out.

I can prove it with a simple experiment that anyone here can test and repeat with the Claria inks. There are many posts here on that Claria issues.

If you think customers don't perspire (which will cause it to bleed or fade out) or if they would never use warm or hot wash water, you are mistaken.

I cringe when people mention dye inks when one only has to read the many many horror stories posted here.

Most likely your 3rd party ink issues was not the pigment ink but the system you choose you used to deliver it. Most issues are not really clogging, but lack of proper setup and maintenance of the 3rd party ink delivery system, which is really lack of vacuum. The end result looks the same as "clogging", so people mis-understand the difference.
No, it was Pigment Ink and the system was purchased from a well known and trusted vendor that a lot of people use on this forum.They are listed as a "Preferred Vendor". And like I said in my original post, I took it to a printer repair shop and it was clogged.

In regards to dye inks, I have had great success with them. Maybe I am the exception to the rule. But the real proof are in the T-Shirts. I have T-shirts that I printed using Epson Ink that are over 3 years old and still look good. Been washed over and over again. I am not here to debate I am here stating facts!
 
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So I am not the only one who has had aftermarket 1430 issues ... and to whoever thought the warranty would be a swap here's proof that Epson isn't going to play ball... Anyone willing to pay for the shipping I have 2 1430s they can have...
Epson does a quick swap, and if you use refillable carts or not the CIS design that causes you to have to break your cart door then there is no reason Epson should be voiding a warranty. Unless you tell them you are using 3rd party inks and equipment anyway.

If you want OEM carts for simplicity or reliability, then one should use a 4 color Epson pigment printer with the OEM (Durabrite) carts and avoid 3rd party. I have a HP 4 color pigment 13 x 19 with factory pigment carts and that printer is ultra reliable, my Epson now is sublimation.

The 1430 6 color is overkill for t-shirts anyway, it's a good hobbyist printer for printing on glossy photo paper, but not t-shirts. the extra colors gamut won't be seen hardly at all on transfers like it would be on glossy hardcopy photo paper.

Good 3rd party pigment inks in a 4 color pigment based Epson I find it is not needed to use a profile.

If you use pigment inks in a 1430 then you need a profile. If you use the OEM Claria dye carts in a 1430 for tshirts you are selling a product that is inferior in the wash.

If you use CIS and have issues, or lack the skill to maintain and troubleshoot it, then you should use refillable carts with 3rd party pigments or use OEM Epson Durabrite carts.
 
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So I am not the only one who has had aftermarket 1430 issues ... and to whoever thought the warranty would be a swap here's proof that Epson isn't going to play ball... Anyone willing to pay for the shipping I have 2 1430s they can have...
No, you are not the only one and I don't understand why people doubt when you say you had a problem... smh .... My 1430 is now a nice $300 door stopper! And you are a correct about the warranty ... I tried taking mine to a Epson repair center with receipt in hand and they wanted to charge me $200 for the repair because I "voided" the warranty.
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No, it was Pigment Ink and the system was purchased from a well known and trusted vendor that a lot of people use on this forum.They are listed as a "Preferred Vendor". And like I said in my original post, I took it to a printer repair shop and it was clogged.

In regards to dye inks, I have had great success with them. Maybe I am the exception to the rule. But the real proof are in the T-Shirts. I have T-shirts that I printed using Epson Ink that are over 3 years old and still look good. Been washed over and over again. I am not here to debate I am here stating facts!
Dye ink is always soluble in water, you are not blessed by the Gods of heat transfer and granted you a waiver on your dye inks not bleeding and fading using warm or hot water. Neither have those heat transfer Gods changed the laws of chemistry either just for you. It's just you haven't seen the gradual fade or bleed out.

Anyone reading this can try this, this will prove that dye inks or are inferior to pigment.

This test would simulate a customer washing the t-shirt is hot or water. Of course washing in a hot or warm washer you might not notice the bleed out, it's gets rinsed out in the rinse cycle. But yes it happens

Anyone can easily see this doing a soak test test as I describe in this thread at the link below, the lady had been using dye inks a lot and not had a problem until a customer complained

Jet Pro SS losing color!

Pigment inks solved her problem and the soak test opened her eyes as to the nature of the problem.

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