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Originally Posted by RichardGreaves |  | | | | | | | | | What possible part of my answers were not based on facts? | |  | |  | |
I don't know! You are making assertions about all sorts of things I am trusting are "facts" - but to take your pedantic line, I cannot KNOW whether all or any of your asserted facts are
actually facts. I am not an expert. I can only hope you know your stuff and I think you do. However, I've been given many conflicting answers to some of my queries, all by people who claim to be industry pros. Some such conflicting info may be simply a matter of different personal perspectives or possible misinterpretation of my queries, while others appear to indicate that some individuals are correct and others are incorrect. And while my sense is that you know your stuff, I feel you are fond of pontification for its own sake. Nothing wrong with that per se, except that I find it sometimes makes your responses difficult to understand! I speak only for myself here. (Frustrated? I am only mirroring your mode of response back at you! And, I'm being entirely "factual" in speaking my truth.). I will desist from this mirroring from this point on. Just wanted to make a point.
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Originally Posted by RichardGreaves | | | | | | | | | | Which examples to your answers were not based on making a clear statement in response to your questions? | | | | | | |
Your answer to my point 1. In effect, all you had to say was "yes" - and in effect, that's all you did say, though rather circumlocutously!
Your answer to my point 3. Again, in effect the answer was simply "yes"! I had already added the proviso about the process being properly managed. You elaborated on this management, but this was extraneous to my query.
Your response to my Q5: The point about the undercured white plastisol is extraneous to the query. I think implicit in the query for most folk is the assumption that the screenprinting is done properly.
Your responses to my Qs A & B!
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Originally Posted by RichardGreaves | | | | | | | | | | By the nature of your question, you force me to answer False, because inferior cotton grown by even just one farmer forces me to say say no. | | | | | | |
Pedantic in the extreme! Of course, there is always the exception, but isn't it obvious that I was asking the question on the assumption of competent commercial farming practice?
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Originally Posted by RichardGreaves | | | | | | | | | | If I were you I'd be making demonstrations of how YOUR cotton and your printing skills make YOUR shirts worth the premium price you charge. | | | | | | |
Fine, but at this stage this is entirely hypothetical, since I don't HAVE any organic cotton apparel and am not a screenprinter (and in the case of the latter, have no intention to be). At this stage I am trying to get some answers to some basic questions, which I have expressed as simply as I know how. There MUST be some basic answers! That is all I seek!
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Originally Posted by RichardGreaves | | | | | | | | | | If I were you I'd be making demonstrations of how YOUR cotton and your printing skills make YOUR shirts worth the premium price you charge. | | | | | | |
Sure - but I first have to find out enough to identify a good source, and to find a good source, I have to separate fact from myth. That is the stage I am at currently, and is my purpose here in this thread.
I will try again by reframing the question:
Can premium organic cotton be better quality than premium conventionally produced cotton, due to the organic farming methods?
It is certainly true that premium organically grown fruit and veges are superior to the best conventionally farmed equivalents in flavour and nutritional value...I know the former is true, at least, because I grow organic veges and fruit and can taste the difference for myself, and logic tells me that exhausted, mineral depleted commercial farm soils will not produce veges and fruit of premium quality! Rich, carefully and correctly managed balanced organic soils will bear dividends nutritionally in the produce that comes from them. So, logically, it seems reasonable to suppose that the same may be applied to organically produced cotton. I would like to know if anyone can provide scientific evidence that this is fact, though.
Your response to Query E!
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Originally Posted by RichardGreaves | | | | | | | | | | This is another statement without boundaries. There are good and bad cops, doctors and lawyers. In China, children may work 12 hours a day, 6 days a week and paid $3 per day. This might be great for them, but a scandal in Australia. | | | | | | |
Obviously so! Did I not acknowledge in my query that the whole concept of "sweatshop-free" is "hazy and open to philosophical interpretation"? You have simply reiterated this point by way of example - and I was clearly already aware of it, and needed no further demonstration!
Again, I'll reframe my query, this time into two parts:
Is it possible that organic cotton farming criteria and sweatshop-free practices are less likely to be stringently adhered to in India and China than Turkey? Is it possible that organic certification may not be as strictly applied, or faked, and that this is more likely to occur in India and China than Turkey?
Phew! That's all I've got left in me for now.
Cheers