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Old December 10th, 2007 Dec 10, 2007 7:28:34 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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How do I go about getting my clothing into stores like Nordstrom, Macy's, etc.??
 
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Old December 10th, 2007 Dec 10, 2007 9:14:28 AM -   #2 (permalink)
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Probably only in your dreams!. Hate to sound harsh...it is not intended but honestly if you had access to that account, are you now geared to do thousands of garments??? that is what I mean, The large national stores do central procurement and deal in the 100,000s. So until you have a product that is on target and the means to produce..you will need to focus locally or regionally. I also do promotional products and my target is not the mega corps with thousands fo dollars to spend on promotion, but on the 100 or so local businesses that have 100s to spend. I am content to be local guy they can depend on.
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Old December 10th, 2007 Dec 10, 2007 12:21:49 PM -   #3 (permalink)
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How do I go about getting my clothing into stores like Nordstrom, Macy's, etc.??
Well assuming you have already done the research for what needs to be done as far as finishing your products, you need to contact their buying agents and set up appts. But before you do that, you have to have ALL your info ready to go.
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Old December 11th, 2007 Dec 11, 2007 11:38:55 AM -   #4 (permalink)
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Dont even dream of getting such an order because all you would get is sleepless nights and worries.
 
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Old December 21st, 2007 Dec 21, 2007 11:09:21 AM -   #5 (permalink)
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Dream BIG, I say. All they can say is no! But all of the posters above do make a point...if they do fall in love with what you present, be ready! But...don't let fear stop you, if you think you're ready, GO FOR IT!!!

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Old December 21st, 2007 Dec 21, 2007 12:09:26 PM -   #6 (permalink)
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Dream BIG, I say. All they can say is no! But all of the posters above do make a point...if they do fall in love with what you present, be ready! But...don't let fear stop you, if you think you're ready, GO FOR IT!!!

Fellow Dreamer,
Amen to that! Go for it..I'd rather regret something I did than something I was afraid to do!

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Old December 21st, 2007 Dec 21, 2007 12:50:39 PM -   #7 (permalink)
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Default Re: How to get into department stores??

You need to becomne an exhibitor at the large, national apparel shows.

Sending some literature and your card to Macy's or Target isn't going to get you an appointment.

You will need a show-stopper at one of the very few shows a buyer for one of those companies would attend. You'd need to literally stop them in their tracks in order to be noticed.

You are picking a most difficult row to hoe.
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I completely agree with Pete.

If their buyers come to you, then you can dictate your terms, if you go to them then they would dictate all the hows and ifs.
 
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I just finished reading the book Mommy Millionaire - a woman who lives just north of me in Michigan, small town, started a business selling Wuvits (little pillows with corn in it, that you heat in the microwave and then put on your shoulders for an instant massage). She went to a trade show, and got into 40 Saks stores! Sounds like a lot of work (bar codes, compliance with their packaging, shipping stuff), but then she cold called Macy's and got in! You need lots of guts, lots of drive, and lots of nerve to do it! But I say go for it! I don't think I want to go that way - lots of hassles
- but it is obviously possible for a small company to do it, now that I know of someone!
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Default Re: How to get into department stores??

I'm assuming that everyone of us who has a t-shirt business would like to see our own products in the big dept stores. Keeping that in mind, I'd say, if you think you're ready then Go FOR IT!!!. "Stayrooted" is right, the worse they can say is no and if thats the case, then you keep at it until it happens for you. And don't give in to negative thoughts. Besides, it's possible that the buyers might say YES!

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Default Re: How to get into department stores??

Not everybody!

If that's your goal, I say go for it, too. Just be ready for what comes with it.

I've heard too many horror stories to want to stay away from the big dept. stores forever!

Not getting paid on time. Not getting paid at all. Returns.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Now, how to go about it? If that's what you want to do, it's going to take some homework on your part.

You've got to find the buyers. Try to get appointments. And you need to know what you're talking about if you happen to get an appointment.
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All i can say is best of luck to you if you decide to go this route. I hope it all works out, and if you do your research, I'm sure you'll be fine.
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Old December 22nd, 2007 Dec 22, 2007 8:11:26 PM -   #13 (permalink)
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Default Re: How to get into department stores??

You are correct, you need to be able to walk the walk and talk the talk. All types of business have their own language, and you usually have to be an "insider" to get inside.

You are also correct in saying you very well may not get paid on time. They will want 30 or 60 day terms and take 90 to 120 to pay. They are very organized at losing paperwork. "Oh, we never got that invoice." "Do you have a signed receipt for that.?"

Of course, they can sometimes pay twice for the same invoice, which can give you a cushion.

And they also have a way of paying by returning what didn't sell for full credit after the season is over.

The sad fact is that you work on their terms, no matter what you believe when you get into the deal. You ship goods and they pay when they get around to it. In the meantime, you've bought equipment and hired staff. You'll be late getting paid, be behind on your equipment payments and soon paying unemployment because you cannot meet payroll, since your money is all tied up.

Here's a brief notice of the end of a chain called Peoples Pottery that left literally hundreds of small business crafters, many in the same stages of their businesses as many here, dead in the water.

"The Rochester newspaper reported today that Peoples Pottery filed chapter 11
on November 29. Since it owes more than 1000 creditors [most of them
craftsmen] I am sure that some of you will be interested.
www.democratandcronicle.com has the story."

Many were single person shops who expanded on the promise of big sales to this company. They all ended in hearbreak and turmoil. All the while the couple who owned Peoples Pottery were basking in the limelight in their home town as being great benefactors.

">I kept thinking "Peoples Pottery, Peoples Pottery." Finally a light went
>off in my head. Arrogant, look down his nose buyer; stuck a bunch of people
>in Kentucky. Thank God he didn't give me an order. It's a sorry sob who
>will stick it to the little guy!



Jean, and whomever else asked...
I don't know the particulars on the bankruptcy of People's Pottery. I do
know a few other things...

Robbie Dein started People's Pottery in Ithaca, NY in the 1970s. I started
dealing with him in 1979. He was an honorable gallery owner, very
supportive and sold a lot of work. Sometime in the early 90s, I believe, he
opened another store in an upscale mall in Syracuse, NY, and developed a
business model to put dozens of them across the country into upscale malls.
At some point he sold the business to a couple from Rochester, NY, and they
were the ones who took it into bankruptcy. Robbie helped them for a while
identifying artisans whose work he thought would do well in the environment.
He is not, as far as I know, in any way responsible for the bankruptcy or
stiffing the many people making pots who got stuck with the bad account. A
further irony in this saga is that at the same time this couple was going
under with People's Pottery, they were given a philanthropy award in
Rochester for their donations to cancer research. People's Pottery was in a
form of bankruptcy that allowed for it to be brought back if certain
conditions were met. The stores in Rochester have been up and running for
the past few years. It sounds as though they are slowly expanding again. I
don't know if the same people are still in charge, who they are dealing
with, how they are dealing with suppliers, etc."

I've personally sold to Montgomery Ward, JC Penny, Sears, Pep Boys< Firestone, Goodyear and other national and regional retailers. Their employees, from the guy at the receiving dock to the supervisor of the Accounts Payable department couldn't care less about you getting paid.

If everything fits, you get your money. If a receipt is missing, it's your fault. If an invoice gets lost, it's your fault.

Not all are that way. Some send blank checks and you fill them out when you make your invoice. But they are in the minority. It's a tough way to make a living.
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To be honest they most likely wouldn't buy you unless you were in a showroom, although that's not always true. If you can send them a look book and be very professional and your stuff is differen'ta and good quality then maybe they would take a look. You could always send some samples if they are interested but don't send without preapproval. If you do get a PO(purchase order) you will be blessed with a shipping manual the size of a small telephone book, listing the many ways they can charge you money for shipping things wrong ie not putting the label on the exact spot they want it on the box. The best way to get into good dept stores is to be in the ultra cool boutiques that the buyers shop. If you are in the best boutiques they will want to take a look for fear they are missing out on the latest thing. good luck and have a thick skin.
 
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