This is Bob McCormack in NJ I have finally figured out how to post pics on this site.
The pic detailed is 13.5 x 17.5 approx. I wanted to show how well the Kornit 932 NDS works if you coax it a bit. We also embellished the tee with rhinestones. What do you guys think. Everyone seems so hell bent on bringing this machine down, but I am having great success with it. We do have one problem that has been addressed about streaking and that is solved with the new software we will be receiving sortly
Bob
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Nice print Bob. We have been able to consistently achieve the same results with our 931 machines. It sure is fun after going through the initial learning curve being able to print consistent, quality prints all of the time.
Its nice to see that they finally got some of those issues worked out, for you. I wish they would have done the same for me, anytime between December 2007 and September 2008. Oh well. It does seem that Kornit is making headway with some of their more troublesome issues - I would be very interested in seeing how the machines are working in 6 months. Although I don't think I will ever buy a 932, again, I might just look into a 931, some day.
zhengie= please excuse the spelling of your name. There are 2 very important thinks you are forgetting. The speed at which we can print and the cost of our ink compared to all others . In addition the extra time and expense to do a pretreatment then have to heat press it. Put all these factors into it and an EPSON aint gonna do what the KORNIT can.
Bob
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Thanks for posting the pic bob.
I agree with Zhenjie, I'm not really sure what I'm looking at besides a normal DTG print with rhinestones.
Is this type of print something that the Kornit could previously not do?
Can you give the group an idea of what some of the problems were preventing prints like the sample you posted?
As you all know the Kornit is a little more tempermental than all the other machines. Humidity, temp, air circulation in the drying chamber are the most critical. Also the new white ink drys faster which may cause the heads to create banding or streaking if not kept in a constant printing mode.
Someone mentioned the print is no different than anyother DTG printer. I disagree-- 1st the pretreatment is light years ahead of eveyone else
2nd the inks are much less expensive
3rd No one comes close to the print time of the Kornit, that I am aware off. They are all 2200, 2800 or 4800 based epson printers, they are all going to print at about the same speed.
This print is particularly large and we did not time it. But I can print 10x12 with a pretreatment 2 passes of white and 1 cmyk in 2 minutes and that includes loading and taking the shirt to the dryer. Thats 30 shirts per hour.
Yes you can get an auto pretreat and pretreat ahead, but we have better continuity and rythem with our machine.
Yes it does cost more and you can get multiple machines, does it work I myself have never done this. If i am not mistaken you would need at least 3 flexi, t-jet or other epson machines to stay up with the Kornit. In my opinion you cannot have 1 person running 3 machines and an autopretreat machine, so you will need more people. The benifit to multi machines is redundancy.
Have people had problems with the Kornit , absolutely but I hear nightmares about anajet t-jet I myself had a lot of problems with the original flexi. Should Kornit be more dillegent with service, yes and they are working on that.
The only thing i do not like about the Kornit is if I am doing shirts without a white underbase I am wasting white ink when the machine purges and that costs me money.
I hope I have answered evryones questions, if not just ask.
Bob
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The answer to your question is no. The Kornit has been printing these type of pics. forever.
The reason we printed it was to show the large white area coverage and the density of the white. Also if i needed to sell this I could produce it faster than any of the other machines therby making it porfitable for me.The rhinestones were something we just threw in. We have a lot of gothic type customers and we thought this shirt would be cool for them.
Feel free to ask anything.
Bob
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3rd No one comes close to the print time of the Kornit, that I am aware off. They are all 2200, 2800 or 4800 based epson printers, they are all going to print at about the same speed.
This print is particularly large and we did not time it. But I can print 10x12 with a pretreatment 2 passes of white and 1 cmyk in 2 minutes and that includes loading and taking the shirt to the dryer. Thats 30 shirts per hour.
The HM-1, if I remember correctly, either matches or surpasses the speed of the Kornit. This is fact; I have watched the machine print dozens of times, and I have compared it to my Kornit. Even if it was not quite as fast, 1 operator could easily load 2 Epson based units; it would be the exact same movement as loading a 931 with 2 platens. The pretreatment can be done using the SpeedTreater from Harry at EquipmentZone, and it can be done at an earlier time, if it was too much to fit into the workflow.
As for 30 prints per hour from the 932 - that has almost never been my experience with the machine. Although I certainly did have some times where I got great prints at relatively quick print speeds, the sustainable, consistent production rates were more like 18-24 shirts per hour. Let me interject - I had the extreme pleasure of seeing how the machine was printing for 3.5 days before it crashed for good. At the time, we were using the Onyx RIP, and the results were incredible. It was our most enjoyable three days of printing, ever. During these 3.5 days of printing, we might have come close to averaging 27-30 prints per hour, with a very low misprint percentage. However, I think it would be irresponsible on my part to promote this production figure, knowing that I have never been able to get it on a consistent basis (or even come close, most of the time).
I have been telling people since I first bought the machine: there are benefits to owning a Kornit, but print speed is certainly not one of them. If we are going to compare relative machine speeds, we need to proportionalize for the cost of the machine. Therefore, if a $20,000 machine can print 15 darks per hour, then a $40,000 machine should be considerable faster to be a "better deal". If it is only slightly faster, for 3-4 times the cost (or more), would you consider that a good deal?
I can't speak for the 932, but I sure can speak for the 931. When we schedule our pending orders every day we use a 1 minute production time for white shirts and 2 minutes for dark shirts. This is an average number, but based on our analysis over a period of time, it is pretty close. As I said in an earlier post, 75% of the shirts we print require white ink,so based on that percentage, we average about 35 shirts per hour per machine. Because we can at times have 1 operator keep up with 2 machines, depending on the print time of the orders beign run, our labor costs have to be drastically lower per print than other brands of printers. Between a lower print cost and a lower ink cost, the cost of the Kornit doesn't sound too bad if you have the business to keep the machine busy.
With that high price printer, the support should be much much better. Why Kornit does not fix Justin's printer? I don't understand why they are still in business.
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