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Old February 18th, 2008 Feb 18, 2008 5:33:27 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Vinegar smell on Kornit prints

I guess you realized how it smells (strong, sometimes) any kornit print. I know this is because of the pretreatment.

I realized it the first time I got my samples from cafepress and zazzle, and I felt it was unpleasant. Since we'll be also shipping in closed envelopes, I think this is an issue to consider.

Do any of your clients complain about such vinegar smell? Any trick or way to get totally rid of it?

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Old February 18th, 2008 Feb 18, 2008 5:42:35 PM -   #2 (permalink)
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I've heard that if you have that smell then the ink is no fully cured.I don't know for sure but thats what the rep told me and I smell no vinegar in my samples.Just my 2 cents.
 
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Old February 18th, 2008 Feb 18, 2008 7:56:16 PM -   #3 (permalink)
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I heard if you put the shirt in a jar, collect the fumes and light a match it will catch on fire




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Old February 19th, 2008 Feb 19, 2008 6:47:37 AM -   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Vinegar smell on Kornit prints

Corey is correct the only smell is from the fixation, which totally evaporates when dried correctly.
 
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But stuff coming from Cafepress and the like are cured in huge dryers and still smell...
 
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Just because they are huge companys does not mean they are curing them correctly,they have to go through the dryer at the right speed and temp and the ink on the shirts must have the temp checked on a regular basis to make sure the dryer is maintaining the correct curing temp.If they are loading alot of shirts in that will also lower the temp in the dryer,you can't just rely on the temp setting of the dryer.The shirt I got from the Orlando show had no smell and has been washed 5 times so far and still looks great,wash tests I think are the true test to a good cure.Just my 2 cents.
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Old February 22nd, 2008 Feb 22, 2008 1:18:13 PM -   #7 (permalink)
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Default Re: Vinegar smell on Kornit prints

You need to be certain that you've evaporated every last drop of pretreatment out of the shirt. When you are in a rush, you might forgot sometimes. I know we run our shirts through the dryer TWICE, the second time at slightly higher dryer settings to make me confident that everything that leaves here is fully cured.
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Old February 22nd, 2008 Feb 22, 2008 3:45:57 PM -   #8 (permalink)
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I've been to Justin's shop and actually smelled one of the shirts he had printed . I didn't smell any residual smell of any kind.

Okay, maybe some alcohol smell, but I think that was Justin!! j/k

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Default Re: Vinegar smell on Kornit prints

I guess I haven't been lucky, since ALL kornit prints I've hold on my hands (from different sources) smelled.

But now all sounds fine: I'll get Justin's brand of dryer and favourite beer and another potential problem solved
 
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Hi All,

Bob McCormack here. I have a box that was laoded with 60 shirts that sat in a box overnite till UPS came. Box was closed but not taped. No salad oil was mixed because there was no vinegar or vinegar smell in there--LOL--

Just a choke. as Justin said if you do not properly cure then the residual vinegar smell will prevail.

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Okay, maybe some alcohol smell, but I think that was Justin!! j/k
Did it smell like a Pale Ale? I love a good Pale Ale.
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But now all sounds fine: I'll get Justin's brand of dryer and favourite beer and another potential problem solved
I'm glad I could be of assistance.
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Hello, All
I got my 932NDS and HIX dryer NPII3616 last week, I am trying to make a good cured t-shirt, but can't get a good result. A strong vinegar smell from the cured t-shirt.
I set the temp at 190 Celsius, 4 minutes, blow speed at 6 on HIX.
My question is: If I add curing time to remove the pretreatment, is that good for making a vivid t-shirt?
the suggestion from Kornit and HIX, they don't suggest me curing 2 times.

Can anyone give me a suggestion?

PS. If you use kornit 932NDS and HIX, please let me know, maybe we can change some experience.
 
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Have you tried joining KornitUsers.com? It is a forum specifically for Kornit owners and there might be more people there that can help you out. Just a suggestion.
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Just because they are huge companys does not mean they are curing them correctly,they have to go through the dryer at the right speed and temp and the ink on the shirts must have the temp checked on a regular basis to make sure the dryer is maintaining the correct curing temp.If they are loading alot of shirts in that will also lower the temp in the dryer,you can't just rely on the temp setting of the dryer.The shirt I got from the Orlando show had no smell and has been washed 5 times so far and still looks great,wash tests I think are the true test to a good cure.Just my 2 cents.
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Hi All,

I had my first experience with DTG recently and I'm not sure of the printer was using a Kornit or not but the print was done using water based inks and a pretreatment. The shirt was cured in a giant dryer for 8 minutes (no idea of speed or temp).

When I was handed my shirt it smelled awful of a vinegar smell. It set in my car all day so it had plenty of time to air out. When I got it home my wife was almost knocked out by the smell.

I washed it and the wash tests all showed the shirt was well cured. The smell is gone after the wash but of course that's not going to happen when/if my customers receive a DTG printed tee in a sealed bag fresh off the press. I have no plans of washing each shirt before packing and shipping them! haha!

Any suggestions? Thoughts? I won't sell vinegar smelling tee's to people. Not a good idea. If there is no way to get rid of the smell then it doesn't look like DTG will do the trick on some of my short-run designs.
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