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Old March 15th, 2009 Mar 15, 2009 9:38:50 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default What is the best DARK transfer paper to use?

Hello,
So I am getting ready to start my online t-shirt business in May and I'm wondering what is the best transfer paper to use for Dark T-shirts.

I have been told that ironall dark is probably the best. (very pricey though. only place I can find it is milford photo and their over $2 a sheet) I've also been told jetwear/ alpha gold is good.

I am using an hp printer with dye inks.

Some pros and cons for each of the papers would also be helpful.

thanks everyone in advance! =)
 
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Hello,
So I am getting ready to start my online t-shirt business in May and I'm wondering what is the best transfer paper to use for Dark T-shirts.

I have been told that ironall dark is probably the best. (very pricey though. only place I can find it is milford photo and their over $2 a sheet) I've also been told jetwear/ alpha gold is good.

I am using an hp printer with dye inks.

Some pros and cons for each of the papers would also be helpful.

thanks everyone in advance! =)
Ironall for dark goes under different names such as ClearSoft, Everlast, Translution to name a few. Check the prices from different vendors. Alpha Gold has heavy hand, does not stretch like Ironall for dark and thick. Just to let you know in the past Ironall had fading issue. I am not sure if that has changed.

Dye ink will bleed unless it is used with transfer for light like JPSS.
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Default Re: What is the best DARK transfer paper to use?

Oh really? I had no idea those transfer papers are all the same. Do you know where I can buy these transfer papers? Place with the best price would be great.

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Never yet printed a shirt. Using the site as a place to learn, before I do. Looking forward to more replies here, also maybe in regards to ink. what is the best paper for sublimation ink? what is the best for dura brite epson ink? thanks
 
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Default Re: What is the best DARK transfer paper to use?

Hi Belancer, =)

Here are two threads for you:

Ironall Dark *other names*
https://www.t-shirtforums.com/heat-p...rs/t59419.html


Ironall light *other names*
IRONALL LIGHT other Alternative Names and Suppliers

I've never paid full price for my Ironall Dark because I signed up with the suppliers for their newsletters. When they have a sale, I buy. I've saved as much as 50% off Ironall Dark, but usually can average abou 30% off. Signing up for the newsletters is good.

In the meantime, you can try sample packs to see which paper you prefer, as they each have different qualities. Once you wash them, you will find out if your HP printer will work or if you need to buy an Epson type printer with *pigment ink*.
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Default Re: What is the best DARK transfer paper to use?

Hi Kelly,
Your replys to me are ALWAYS very helpful! =) Thanks a lot.

I have been reading a lot on here about epson printers. Are they really that important to use when it comes to printing transfers? If so, I may think about investing in one. Which one do you recommend, and how much will pigment ink cost me? How are they sold?
So far I have been using my ironall with my hp printer with great success. I am still working on my jpss. The first time I used it, my shirt bled, so I did what you told me Kelly and tried printing with different settings. I printed out multiple images, each on different print settings onto a tee (spaced them out enough) and I'm going to see which one will wash without bleeding.

So what do you think about ironall dark Kelly?

Thanks,
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Oh really? I had no idea those transfer papers are all the same. Do you know where I can buy these transfer papers? Place with the best price would be great.

thanks.
Badalou has a going out of transfer paper business sale. I believe he carries Ironall and JPSS. You might want to send him a email.
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Badalou has a going out of transfer paper business sale. I believe he carries Ironall and JPSS. You might want to send him a PM.

Just an FYI, Lou recently asked that all messages to him go via email, but, good news, Lou is on the list for Ironall Dark, under the name Heat Press Essensials.com and his paper is called Everlast. Very easy to find, just 2 clicks away.
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Hi Kelly,
Your replys to me are ALWAYS very helpful! =) Thanks a lot.
You're welcome, Tena. Thanks for the kind words. =)

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I have been reading a lot on here about epson printers. Are they really that important to use when it comes to printing transfers?
Only if your current printer doesn't work with your paper. And by that I mean, as long as your shirt isn't fading in the wash.

Most printers will print a beautiful transfer, regardless of what ink is in the printer. The problem comes in when the shirt comes out of the wash, after multiple washes.

If you are getting fading in your wash test earlier than you like, a switch to pigment ink is probably a good call for you.

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Which one do you recommend,
That is a toughy. First question would probably be, what size image would you like to be able to print. If it's 8.5x11, there is no real need to look higher than the base models. C88+ and C120's.

I buy mine refurb'd from epson.com. The c120 can go for $31.20 at it's lowest. That is cheaper than a full set of 4 new ink carts from Epson, and the printer comes with that full set of ink.

If you want to print larger than 8.5x11, than you'll have to move up to one of the larger size printers, called large format. I have the 1400. (I also have the c88+, a few c120's - for the ink - and a cx9400.) So I am not partial to one model as you can see.

The 1400 can handle prints up to 13x19.

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and how much will pigment ink cost me? How are they sold?
Depends on where you buy ink and which printer you get. Some printers have 4 carts, some 5, some 6 and some 8. More ink is better for photographers, but not so much for heat transfer. Being as the surface we are transferring to has a weave surface, details are lost in it anyway, unlike photo paper.

So, pick a printer that uses 8 carts and ink costs go up.

There are a few ways to get ink:
*Epson (or the mfg - if not epson) carts aka "OEM carts" = most expensive way to buy ink
*"re-fill carts" = buy empty carts and ink in bottles and refill the carts yourself. This saves money over OEM carts, alot, and there is not too much issue with clogs from not printing everyday. Re-fill carts don't save as much money as bulk ink systems/CIS (continuous ink systems.)
*"bulk ink/cis" - these systems continually feed ink to the printer thru tubes that are attached to the bottles that sit beside the printer. They save the most money over time on ink, but are the most expensive to start up. If not printed with on a regular basis, the printer can run into clog issues. It gets bothersome to some, some printer regularly and don't have issues, or many issues.

Some suppliers for ink that I hear on the boards are inkjetcarts.us, inkjetfly.com, and shopdyesub.com. If you search any of these suppliers, or terms I've mentioned, you'll find user feedback on them, that'll help you learn alot more about each.

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So far I have been using my ironall with my hp printer with great success.
Great, if that's the case, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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I am still working on my jpss. The first time I used it, my shirt bled, so I did what you told me Kelly and tried printing with different settings. I printed out multiple images, each on different print settings onto a tee (spaced them out enough) and I'm going to see which one will wash without bleeding.
Good luck with this, I hope it works out. There's no definite answers with this process, and sometimes what works for one person, just doesn't seem to want to work out for another. If you end up with continued problems with the HP and JPSS, I might just pick up one of the c120's if you still want to use the JPSS (in the 8.5x11 size).

But I hope it works out for you.

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So what do you think about ironall dark Kelly?
I like it. This is the paper I use. I didn't get any noticable fading, not like I sometimes read on the forum, and I've never gotten a bad batch, so my opinion of Ironall Dark could understandably be higher than some others.

I haven't tried the JetWear Dark (Alpha Gold for Darks) personally yet. I have heard that it holds color better, but the trade off is the heavier hand (thicker feel), and a lack of stretch, which is what I really love about the Ironall Dark.

I'd say a sample pack with both would set you right for a side by side comparison so you can see them both in person. Good luck to you, Tena. Nice talking to you.
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Wow, very long helpful messege...always appreciated! =)

As far as my ironall (for lights) my hp printer works great with it. So no problems there. My jpss, I have yet to see the results with those. I have a feeling the ironall for darks may give me the same problem, that is why I am want to invest in a new printer. I think an epson printer is a good way to go. Only thing I'm worried about is most or all of the epson printers are not compatable with windows vista, which is what I have. So I need to find an epson printer (that is a good printer for transfers) but is also compatable with windows vista. I won't be printing on larger than 8 1/2 X 11 sheets. I would have no problem purchasing the c120, it is just not compatable with windows vista as far as I know. Do you know of any epson printers that are good with transfers that also are compatable with vista? I'm guessing the newer models.

I think I'm going to go ahead and order some ironall dark from lou. I'm going to send him a messege and ask him what the best price is he can give me.
Nice talking to you as well Kelly.
Talk to you soon.
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I have heard the Ironall is the way to go. I actually want to try some as well. Who is Lou? Can i place an order?
 
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I have heard the Ironall is the way to go. I actually want to try some as well. Who is Lou? Can i place an order?

I personally am an ex-Ironall light user who switched to JPSS (jetpro sofstretch) because Ironall faded in the wash on me.

With JPSS, I am able to bleach my shirts, repeatedly, without fade. Here are some pics:
Wow! Jetprosofstretch JPSS & Bleach Results -pictures - Canon Dye ink and Durabrite Pigment ink
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I have heard the Ironall is the way to go. I actually want to try some as well. Who is Lou? Can i place an order?
Lou is Badalou. He prefers contact by email to avoid conflict with the forum rules.
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Never yet printed a shirt. Using the site as a place to learn, before I do. Looking forward to more replies here, also maybe in regards to ink. what is the best paper for sublimation ink? what is the best for dura brite epson ink? thanks
I heard Texprint is a good paper for sublimation ink. Durabrite ink tends to have color shift caused by high temp. Pigmented ink is better than Durabrite ink for heat transfer. Some claim of not having issue with Durabrite but the majority do. Besides OEM cartridge has very little ink in it which makes it more expensive than buying a refillable cartridge with third party pigmented ink. A couple of clean cycle and the OEM cartridge is almost empty.
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Only thing I'm worried about is most or all of the epson printers are not compatable with windows vista, which is what I have. So I need to find an epson printer (that is a good printer for transfers) but is also compatable with windows vista. I won't be printing on larger than 8 1/2 X 11 sheets. I would have no problem purchasing the c120, it is just not compatable with windows vista as far as I know. Do you know of any epson printers that are good with transfers that also are compatable with vista?
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I have an Epson c120 that works just fine with my laptop and desktop that both run Vista. I don't see why you would have a problem. You may need to download a driver from Epson support , but that's really not a big deal.
 
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