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Old November 1st, 2006 Nov 1, 2006 4:47:41 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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I just started printing some test shirts with an Eptson C88 printer and the black dose not come out that dark. I am printing on a white t-shirt. Is there a way to enhance or darken the lettering? Thanks
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Default Re: printing - black does not come out dark on a c88?

What type of transfer paper are you printing to?
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Old November 1st, 2006 Nov 1, 2006 10:05:17 PM -   #3 (permalink)
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Old December 30th, 2006 Dec 30, 2006 3:29:26 PM -   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: printing - black does not come out dark on a c88?

I am having the same problems, are u using vector images??? I posted a thread and a pic of black text here Finally got my c88+ yippee!

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Old December 30th, 2006 Dec 30, 2006 4:08:59 PM -   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: printing - black does not come out dark on a c88?

I just watched a video from badalou that he posted on YOUTUBE web site. talking about the blacks on coastal paper verses some others. Might be worth your while to watch it.
here is the link. YouTube - CIS Print test and pressing and wash

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Default Re: printing - black does not come out dark on a c88?

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I just started printing some test shirts with an Eptson C88 printer and the black dose not come out that dark. I am printing on a white t-shirt. Is there a way to enhance or darken the lettering? Thanks
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I don't know what software you are using, but you might add a little cyan and magenta to the black to darken it up a bit.
(100% black, 50% cyan, 20% magenta to start testing)
 
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Default Re: printing - black does not come out dark on a c88?

We had that problem got rid of the high price software and changed paper and it works great.
 
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Default Re: printing - black does not come out dark on a c88?

people, I hate to say this but it is really the inks not the printer or the paper. Durabrite blacks (pigment inks) are not the darkest. That's why epson does not recommend this ink for their photos on their high end printers. The durabrite was really made for the general public and not the true photographers. People wanted fade and longevity in their prints. Not to say that the prints don't look OK on tee shirts. it just that the black was always a bit dull. They came out with their K3 inks. follow the link. Epson Corporate: Epson Technology: UltraChrome K3 Introduction

I found that the inks I got with my Everlast system from Coastal seem to be a bit darker.
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Here are my test tees with Iron all on botton and transjet II on top.
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Default Re: printing - black does not come out dark on a c88?

i dont use durabrite ink never have and havent even tried it.... I have been in and around the t-shirt world for 35 years ... My father ownes a shop in Texas and mine is in Oklahoma. C-88 printers are great for for 1 time small things .. not alot of design on things . We use it to print like WORDS. simple things ... Photos i havent tried to print it on a C-88 but i think i will go try that and see what it does.
 
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i dont use durabrite ink never have and havent even tried it.... I have been in and around the t-shirt world for 35 years ... My father ownes a shop in Texas and mine is in Oklahoma. C-88 printers are great for for 1 time small things .. not alot of design on things . We use it to print like WORDS. simple things ... Photos i havent tried to print it on a C-88 but i think i will go try that and see what it does.
Totally disagree. Do you do heat pressing or screenprinting? The c88 is the most widly used printer for heat press designs on the market (printing yourself) followed by the 1280. sounds like a statement from a screen printer that does not do heat pressing to me. Lou (Former epson rep)
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Totally disagree. Do you do heat pressing or screenprinting? The c88 is the most widly used printer for heat press designs on the market (printing yourself) followed by the 1280. sounds like a statement from a screen printer that does not do heat pressing to me. Lou (Former epson rep)

Well I disagree with alot of things , But every one has that right .... Just to let you know ... I do Both and I do Embroidery and Upholstery... I have a degree in art and a degree in Upholstery /design.. I dont nee to sell printers
 
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Default Re: printing - black does not come out dark on a c88?

I am quite new to this whole t-shirt thing... however, I am a Graphic Designer. I have been having issuses as well with transfer paper and the C88+. I usually design for the print industry and never really get to see the printing process. What I print from my home printer is just used for proofs. Now that I have been doing shirts (just today actually), I ran a little test with all my "professional" software and was I surprised at the difference in color! WOW... Now, unfortunatley all I can tell you is that most of my graphics come out best from my computer in Adobe Illustrator to my Epson C88+. I would suggest, if you're not happy with your results, to try a similar test if you have different software to see which is best.. then go from there...In addition, I wasn't very happy with the way the graphics looked on the paper at first either, untill I pressed it.. then it looked really nice.
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Here are my test tees with Iron all on botton and transjet II on top.

Lou, doesn't your test prove that the paper does play a roll in it? The Transjet paper (top) looks darker than the iron All. Of course it could be the photo and or my monitor. I have an Epson 4000 for sublimating shirts using ArTainium inks and the black are what you expect blacks to be. I also have a 1280 for regular t-shirts and the blacks are a tad lighter but not noticeable to the untrained eye.
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I have a degree in art and a degree in Upholstery /design.. I don't nee to sell printers
Sounds like you are being a bit huffy with me. I am not selling printers. Because you are new and have not been following the forum here or the industry apparently I will let that slide. I have been here a while and have done many many test. I have earned respect on this forum because I give advice that helps people. If you don't want to use durabrite then fine that's how you do your thing but you made statements of what you thought of epson printers are good for and you obviously have not read any of the industry information concerning the best printers and ink to use with transfer that you use to make your own designs.
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Lou, doesn't your test prove that the paper does play a roll in it?
You are right but if you look closely you will see the cracking after 2 washes on the transjet II
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I have an Epson 4000 for sublimating shirts
probably because it is a different inks and also the second best way to do your own transfers according to the industry which I try to read about because I run a business and need to know what is widely used in the industry. Any one want to join in..
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