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Old October 30th, 2006 Oct 30, 2006 1:50:56 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Bought a cheap c88 with durabrite inks. Colors look great on paper, using jet light paper from Coastal business sample pack, pressed white 50/50 t shirt 10 sec. at 365 degrees. looks washed out and thin.
Anyone have any ideas why ?

Pressed first shirt for 18 sec as recommended by the paper and transfer paper glued to the shirt. Any ideas how to remove paper ? Reheating did not work.

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Could it be that the color setting on the printer need adjusting?
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Old October 30th, 2006 Oct 30, 2006 7:27:55 PM -   #3 (permalink)
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How long ago did you buy the inks? Rule of thumb: Pigment inks are only good for 6 months and then need to be replaced. Another tip: shake them regularly to avoid settling. I learned the hard way.
 
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Default Re: faded washed out pigment ink

Thanks for the info.
The ink transfered to the 50/50 shirt looks thin, however afterwards I found the color setting and the thread on T-shirtforums as to adjustment. But, now I am out of sample paper from coastal business. Received two sheets and, having never done ink transfer before I melted one sheet to the shirt. The pic is there but can't get all the paper off. The other one sheet printed really thin colors. Tried new milford for paper but no response. Walmart advertises a paper just for Epson transfers. But it probably leaves a window around the design too.

Thanks for the tip " pigment ink carts are good only for 6 months." I assume this is in the printer and the packaged carts are good until opened.

I was recently suprised reading in this forum pigment transfers last longer than dye sub.
Question,...when stretching T shirts, won't any print show the cracks between the fibers ? Will going to dye sub inks ( laser ) help eliminate that some ?

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Pigment inks are only good for 6 months and then need to be replaced.
Where did you get that information. As a former Epson demo rep that is just not the case. Also most people use their printers on a regular bases. Inks come in an air tight package so they will stay usable for a long period of time. Ask yourself this, are the boxes that the inks come in dated? Does not say use buy a certain date. No that is not the problem here.
OK Don.. I don't like that paper to begin with. I use only Iron All. Pre heat 2-3 seconds.. Press 16-20 seconds at 350 degrees, remove hot. And I mean hot. I hoped you had seen my videos on this paper. I just knocked out 100 tote bags using the paper without one single problem other than one piece getting stuck in my printer but that was my fault.
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I was recently suprised reading in this forum pigment transfers last longer than dye sub.
I doubt that very much. Are you sure the poster wasn't talking about dye based, not sublimation?

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Question,...when stretching T shirts, won't any print show the cracks between the fibers ? Will going to dye sub inks ( laser ) help eliminate that some ?
I have a sample dye sublimation print on lycra: even when stretched considerably it doesn't show cracks. I think there's a slight amount of white at the trough of the rib, but it just makes the whole thing look a little faded, rather than outright cracking/showing another colour.
 
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I only meant if he is using a refillable system or a continous flow system, the ink is exposed to air and some can evaporate and change over the months. Once an ink is opened it does tend to have a shelf life.
 
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Default Re: faded washed out pigment ink

thanks everyone, great info.
The post pigment ink last longer than dye sub was found on this board recently. I thought there had to be a mix up of some kind.

Lou, I have seen your very well done video's, you are the master that is for sure.
Where do you get iron all paper ? I tried New Milford but no reply.

Hot Peel burns my fingers. Plastisol stock transfers no problem, but transfers from epson or alps get hotter and hotter to the point I can't touch it immediately. Gloves are needed but this could be a problem lifting the paper.

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You have to do them hot or the paper will stick. I know they are hot but just give it a second but not much more. Get your seld a pair of tweezers. I think gloves can be to hard to work with. I know john at new Milford has a day job but I have never had problem getting him on the phone or emails. I do get my Iron all paper from him.
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