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earl · July 30th, 2008

hi all, i have an order for 20 tees. fotl 100% cotton h/w "kiwi" color which is a light green.
the design has 6 colors. to many price wise for plastisol. i was thinking of making the background another color which will make it 7 colors so as not to have a polymer window showing.
any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
regards earl
p.s. i will be using jpss paper

Girlzndollz · July 30th, 2008

Hi Earl,

Can you post the art you have? I have to see things to get a feel for something like that... oh and do you have a link to what the kiwi color looks like? -Kelly

Darklight · July 30th, 2008

Generally, on any other color than white you must cut out all border that is visible, as it will darken the affected areas.

badalou · July 30th, 2008

Keep in mind that the color under the transfer will affect the color on the transfer. So lets say your this KIWI What is that like light green. Then on your transfer you have some yellow. OK ever use Crayola's and mix colors. You change the color in this case those 2 combinations become brown. So you need to be careful in doing this. That the reason JPSS is suggested for white of very light colors. Yes it will work but again watch for color changes.

Lnfortun · July 31st, 2008

I took an order of lime green shirts. Before I accepted it I explained to the customer that in order to have normal color on a shirt the color of the shirt will be used as substitute for white in the image. I told her that due to the lime green color the color of the image is going to shift. I pressed a sample, showed it to her and she was OK with it.

It is really all depends on the customer. Press a sample even on a scrap shirt or get a yard or so of similar color from the fabric store.

Girlzndollz · July 31st, 2008

Hi Earl,

Here is a link to an online color mixing tool. Maybe this will help you experiment to see what color will work.

When I tried it, I click "one yellow" and "one green" and that gave me a lime green. For an even lighter green, add another click of "yellow". Try to match your shirt base. Next I added yellow clicks again, to simulate the yellow in the background of your transfer, and the color changed... blending the colors together. The display box will show you what the combination of colors becomes with each click.

If you click the yellow and greens together... you get variations of yellow/green. I had to try out the brown theory, bc I couldn't see how yellow and green didn't make a chartruese, and red added to the yellow and green combinations produced a brown tone. There are a few online color mixing pallettes out there, this is a simple version of one bc most are for serious artists. Hopefully this will help you out some: Online Color Mixing Palette for Painters

I know you mentioned making a blue background.. and two clicks of yellow, one green, and one blue produced a green color... all in all, if you mess around with the online color mixer, and then try it out on a spare tee like we talked about - or scrap fabric like Luis mentions - then you can see which you like best and what works best in reality.

Good luck, Earl... let us know what you decide to go with... maybe a pic, too??

If you want I can try to post the pic you sent me in this thread... let me know...

earl · July 31st, 2008

thanks kelly, yes post it if you can, someone may have done a similar design.

regards earl

Girlzndollz · July 31st, 2008

Okay, let me see if this comes up for us:

Girlzndollz · July 31st, 2008

Great, it worked... Earl, that red text might be where you could get some brown combination going with the green and red... I think it's likely the best idea to try this out on scrap fabric... You may decide to change the whole color scheme depending on how much the green shirt tints the colors. Generally, lighter colors in the design will be most affected, while the deeper colors will be less affected, and that design has alot of beautiful yellows in it. This isn't an easy thing to figure out without knowing how much the green will alter the current colors.

earl · July 31st, 2008

thanks kelly, the background does not need to be yellow. maybe a dark blue?
anyone can chime in on this with suggestions

regards earl

Girlzndollz · July 31st, 2008

Do you mean the "box" around the sun and text and trees doesn't need to be yellow? If yes, won't that still leave the yellow of the sun - that may change the yellow to chartreus (yellow/green, pls don't mind my spelling) when on the green shirt? Since the orangy part of the sun has red, that might become brownish like Lou said. ???

But -- I have a thought. Since you have a nice rectangular box, and the colors look very nice as they are -- very summery, very beachy -- and it is for their holiday, so it's not really a shirt they are looking to get two years out of (hopefully), why not consider printing the image onto an opaque paper - like Ironall Dark, or even if Alpha Gold for darks, so your colors won't change.

The box makes it as easy as using JPSS, and the opaque makes the transfer possible without the color tinting of the shirt color getting in the way. Just an idea, Earl. Hope it all works out.

earl · July 31st, 2008

thanks kelly, i think i have to agree.
i have some of both papers but i think i have them mixed up

. what does the alpha gold and ironall dark look like ? does one have a blue back? i have not done any dark transfers as you can probably tell

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regards earl

Lnfortun · July 31st, 2008

I would think twice on using Alpha Gold. It did not work for me using the instruction. I have to drastically lower all the recommend values to get a decent result. The hand felt like rain coat. That is me though. You can certainly try it. Use a scrap shirt and go on from there. BY the way if you goof the easiest way to peel the whole thing is to lay a bond paper on the opaque. Press it for 5 seconds then peel the bond paper together with the opaque. It will leave a trace of the adhesive. If you are going to press another opaque on the shirt make sure there is good lighting to make it covers exactly over the adhesive. I found out it the hard way.

Girlzndollz · July 31st, 2008

The Ironall Dark is pure white on the back. I haven't used or seen a sample of Alpha Gold, so I don't know about that paper. The only reason I mentioned the Alpha Gold for darks is because 1. A number of other members have recently tried it, and reported they love it. 2. I try to offer at least one alternative, and based on feedback, that seems to be the other paper folks really like.

Okay, now, that said, I have to tell you Earl, I am an Ironall Dark girl. I love that paper. In all fairness, I haven't yet received the sample of Alpha Gold someone was sending to me, so I can't speak about the AG like Luis can (I personally hold Luis' findings in high regard) - but as far as Ironall Dark - I can say there isn't anything I don't like about Ironall dark. I have had a great experience using it.

earl · July 31st, 2008

hi again, i found two sheets of ironall for darks

what temp and dwell times do i use?
i will press the shirt i have to-night and hope for the best.
regards earl

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