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how do i print white text with heat transfer paper onto a dark shirt?



 
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Old July 17th, 2008 Jul 17, 2008 4:08:32 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Re: how do i print white text with heat transfer paper onto a dark shirt?

I think most peple use a vinyl cutter to cut lettering with heat press vinyl for garments. I have heard of some using transfer paper for darks and trimming the letters with scissors.I know you can buy heat applied lettering too. .... JB
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Old July 17th, 2008 Jul 17, 2008 7:18:56 AM -   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: how do i print white text with heat transfer paper onto a dark shirt?

but how about using sublimation ink for dark cotton shirts?
 
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Old July 17th, 2008 Jul 17, 2008 10:40:04 AM -   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: how do i print white text with heat transfer paper onto a dark shirt?

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but how about using sublimation ink for dark cotton shirts?
Sublimation inks do not work on cotton or dark colour shirts . Sublimation works on polyester and then the material has to be a lite colour . Even if it did work on cotton there is no white sublimation ink so we still have the problem of white text on Dark cotton materials . With the vinyl like thermoflex you can have excellent results . The text looks bright and the shirt washes well , it is also well suited to custom one off shirts .
 
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Default Re: how do i print white text with heat transfer paper onto a dark shirt?

The only option for white lettering is to either use heat transfer vinyl or you can use opaque material and cut around the letters..tedious task, and really not worth it. Of course if you have a good cutter you simply cut the lettering out of the opaque transfer material in that way.

One more option: Buy a laser printer and white toner and your set.

EDit: you can also use a slightly off-white color to print and it WILL show up.
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Default Re: how do i print white text with heat transfer paper onto a dark shirt?

All transfer paper I know of for darks have a white base....because a printer does not print white. So if it's all non-connected text, then you would have to cut the paper in the shape of each character (letter). I cut my text with cad-cut heat transfer vinyl, so all the words are all pre-spaced on Mylar. If you don't have a vinyl cutter, you can order them cut already from Stahls'.
 
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Default Re: how do i print white text with heat transfer paper onto a dark shirt?

In case you do not have a cutter, and do not want to go into the tedious hand cutting process;
What happen if you make the surroundings black (if the material is black). Or in the same color as the t-shirt.
Anyone here who have tried that out? Is that technique usable in some way?
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Default Re: how do i print white text with heat transfer paper onto a dark shirt?

Hi Jan, the problem with doing it this way is that when you start washing the shirt and the black ink on the transfer fades, you see the faded transfer paper against the shirt and it looks really bad. Then you have a customer that is not happy because the faded square around the text. Hope this helps
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Sublimation inks do not work on cotton or dark colour shirts . Sublimation works on polyester and then the material has to be a lite colour . Even if it did work on cotton there is no white sublimation ink so we still have the problem of white text on Dark cotton materials . With the vinyl like thermoflex you can have excellent results . The text looks bright and the shirt washes well , it is also well suited to custom one off shirts .
i appreciate you giving me the tips guys. thanks

as you can see, i'm still a newbie. i really have no experience with these. but what is the best way to print on dark shirts? the designs i need to print are too detailed and screen printing is not an option. please help. thanks in advance.
 
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Default Re: how do i print white text with heat transfer paper onto a dark shirt?

Have you considered having digital transfers made.....check them out at www.transferexpress.com .......JB
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Default Re: how do i print white text with heat transfer paper onto a dark shirt?

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Hi Jan, the problem with doing it this way is that when you start washing the shirt and the black ink on the transfer fades...
Whoops, I do not want to misuse this post but the inks I am using do not fade ever, not even after 100 washes so that argument is not an issue for me.

I would see more problems in finding and adjusting the right color in order to match the base color of a t-shirt. Don't you think so?

Do you think that if fading is not an issue my suggestion about filling the surrounds of white text with the base color of the t-shirt might work?
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Default Re: how do i print white text with heat transfer paper onto a dark shirt?

There are some people that do it that way. The fading doesnt always come from the ink so much as it just doesnt hold up on the paper. What kind of paper are you using?
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Default Re: how do i print white text with heat transfer paper onto a dark shirt?

You're right. The grade of fading but also the vividness of the colors depend on the formulation of the coating and if the paper (coating) is designed to accept all kind of inks it should have enough protection against water and light but there is one however.

That is if you are using inks what contain binder. The binder is responsible for to bond the colors with the fabric which means you can print direct to the fabric (DTG) if you could feed the t-shirt through your printer.

The clue however here is that 1. the paper need a certain temperature to activate the process of curing (heat press) and 2. the inks I am using needs the very same temperature to activate the binder.

Means that using both as a combination the inks gives you an additional protection in wash ability and light fastness with no additional required steps. (just in a single heat cure)
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Default Re: how do i print white text with heat transfer paper onto a dark shirt?

This was one of the reasons I bought my dtg, was because there was not a good dark paper out there I have yet to see a opaque paper that holds up well.
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Default Re: how do i print white text with heat transfer paper onto a dark shirt?

Yeah, but it tokes more the 20 years for the ink formulators to find a reliable pigment based ink that have put the common hassle such as clogging and fading into the past. The 20 years is also the time I am testing this ink and paper from various manufacturers.

Coating for transfer paper is also not that easy but I believe with what we have today it comes very close to what we are waiting for.
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