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Old July 8th, 2008 Jul 8, 2008 10:57:55 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Iam looking for a very durable transfer paper which will not fade after many washes for both whites and blacks.
 
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A 1.version paper which is suitable for both, white and black, is difficult or in my opinion impossible. Translution comes in the 2 versions and is known as THE or one of the best. You can download the user guides first from the site to have your first impression build up before you buy or order a sample package.
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Search this forum for JetPro SoftStretch or JPSS and you will find many great reviews on this paper. It is for light or white shirts only but has held up very well in many washes (including bleach) using both pigment inks and dye based inks.
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Thank you John, What is the name of the manufacturer? Do you have there web address? Iam in Africa, I have to check all the facts before I order.
 
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Hi Jan,
Thanks a lot.
I have visited the PDG website. Impressive stuff.
That is more or less of what Iam looking for. But Iam used to do my transfers using a desktop laser printer. My first experience with the inkjets was not good. The prints used to fade after very few washes.
Have you personally tried the translution paper?
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Yes, I am using the paper already before it came on the market for sale and still convinced that it is the best by trying so now and then other papers against it.

But you are looking for laser designed transfers? I do heard about people who have used just as a test the Translution in combination with a laser printer and they claimed they where successful. I however can not confirm this out of my own experiences to be very honest because I do not use laser but other members who have may be able to give you more accurate info about that. The additional properties of the paper and what makes it unique comparing to others is that it is designed for 100% cotton or 50-50 blends which is not an easy task for the coating chemical industry.

From origin this paper is designed for dye or pigment inks which can come from any brand ink or/and any printer on the market today where I can make the following note to explain your bad experiences with ink jet transfers as well.

Note: As I assume you are from the textile industry then you know that in the traditional textile printing the inks contain a binder what is responsible to bond the colors with the fabric and therefore responsible for the grade of wash and light fastness.

In digital textile printing terms there are only a few brands who contain this binder and are pigment based to and therefore the most ideal inks to print with onto textile no matter or direct (DTG) or through transfer media. These inks can be used on almost all kind of substrates without the necessary pre-coating of papers and fabrics even onto canvas for reproductions it is the best. An other important good property is that pigment based inks dry much faster and can be transferred to the fabric almost direct after printing and you will have almost never the hassle that you see wheel trails on the print during printing. Today's water based pigment inks which includes the binder can score a washable of 4 on a scale of 5 (Basf methods used)

Dye based inks are designed solely for paper printing or for media what is prepared, pre-treated for these inks from the manufacturer which is usual an expensive media. Pre-treating media is also necessary because of the longer dry time of dye based inks. You ever may have noticed in some cases and with some media that the inks stay wett on the surface not able to come dry. Pigment based inks are different in this way.
This means that the ability to bond with the fabric and make it in some way washable has to come solely from the coating of the paper itself and this is of coarse different from paper to paper as much as there are brands. An other thing is the sharpness. If a housewife wants to print something for a birthday or a similar event she will not notice this but the long dry time of the ink is indeed a problem for the professional and therefore the dye based inks are not recommended for making reproductions or giclée printing e.g. on canvas. The inks lay wett on the surface for sometime and that impact the sharpness. (photographical reproductions on paper that is prepared for that purpose from the maufacturer of course is not a problem)

Hope this answers your understanding in having some washabillity problems with some sort of transfer papers out there using dye based inks.
The better the coating the better the results. This explanation however should affect also the same when using laser printing methods. Because there is no laser powder as far as I know that contains anything what bonds with fabric materials and therefore no matter if it is laser or ink jet, here the coating of the paper is responsible for light and wash fastness. Using pigment based inks that contain binders can make a big difference and improve the durability in addition to the properties of the paper coating.

Damn...what a long reply, I am sorry:-)) Will not happen again, promise.
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There are lots of review for JPSS in this forum.
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JPSS...Cold-Peel...WOW!!!
Wow! Jetprosofstretch JPSS & Bleach Results -pictures - dye and pigment ink

many more.... Just do a search and you will get lot of results....
 
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What is the name of the manufacturer? Do you have there web address?
Neenah Paper makes it, but I don't know if you can buy directly from them.

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Yes, I am using the paper already before it came on the market for sale and still convinced that it is the best by trying so now and then other papers against it.

But you are looking for laser designed transfers? I do heard about people who have used just as a test the Translution in combination with a laser printer and they claimed they where successful. I however can not confirm this out of my own experiences to be very honest because I do not use laser but other members who have may be able to give you more accurate info about that. The additional properties of the paper and what makes it unique comparing to others is that it is designed for 100% cotton or 50-50 blends which is not an easy task for the coating chemical industry.

From origin this paper is designed for dye or pigment inks which can come from any brand ink or/and any printer on the market today where I can make the following note to explain your bad experiences with ink jet transfers as well.

Note: As I assume you are from the textile industry then you know that in the traditional textile printing the inks contain a binder what is responsible to bond the colors with the fabric and therefore responsible for the grade of wash and light fastness.

In digital textile printing terms there are only a few brands who contain this binder and are pigment based to and therefore the most ideal inks to print with onto textile no matter or direct (DTG) or through transfer media. These inks can be used on almost all kind of substrates without the necessary pre-coating of papers and fabrics even onto canvas for reproductions it is the best. An other important good property is that pigment based inks dry much faster and can be transferred to the fabric almost direct after printing and you will have almost never the hassle that you see wheel trails on the print during printing. Today's water based pigment inks which includes the binder can score a washable of 4 on a scale of 5 (Basf methods used)

Dye based inks are designed solely for paper printing or for media what is prepared, pre-treated for these inks from the manufacturer which is usual an expensive media. Pre-treating media is also necessary because of the longer dry time of dye based inks. You ever may have noticed in some cases and with some media that the inks stay wett on the surface not able to come dry. Pigment based inks are different in this way.
This means that the ability to bond with the fabric and make it in some way washable has to come solely from the coating of the paper itself and this is of coarse different from paper to paper as much as there are brands. An other thing is the sharpness. If a housewife wants to print something for a birthday or a similar event she will not notice this but the long dry time of the ink is indeed a problem for the professional and therefore the dye based inks are not recommended for making reproductions or giclée printing e.g. on canvas. The inks lay wett on the surface for sometime and that impact the sharpness. (photographical reproductions on paper that is prepared for that purpose from the maufacturer of course is not a problem)

Hope this answers your understanding in having some washabillity problems with some sort of transfer papers out there using dye based inks.
The better the coating the better the results. This explanation however should affect also the same when using laser printing methods. Because there is no laser powder as far as I know that contains anything what bonds with fabric materials and therefore no matter if it is laser or ink jet, here the coating of the paper is responsible for light and wash fastness. Using pigment based inks that contain binders can make a big difference and improve the durability in addition to the properties of the paper coating.

Damn...what a long reply, I am sorry:-)) Will not happen again, promise.

Thank you! thank you. In your reply I have learned a lot, especialy on washability problems. When I was using inkjet printers I was using normal inks which comes with the printer. Iam going to order the special inks with binders. I buy my paper directly from Neenah, now I know I can use both laser and inkjet paper and get best results.
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With the light shirt transfer paper, how dark can you go with the shirt? For example, I'd like to use JPSS, but will it work on a gray shirt? Does the print color make a difference (i.e. if I print a black design will it print on a darker shirt)? Thanks!
 
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Colors always will change adding the color of the substrate because the inks you are using are transparent. On a gray shirt it will add the gray-color values (e.g. Lab) to the values you have adjusted in your digital image.

Note: if your image contain a gray similar but lighter as the shirt itself it might accidentally become invisible. Understand that and you're fine.
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Thanks, that's helpful.
 
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Iam looking for a very durable transfer paper which will not fade after many washes for both whites and blacks.
I have not tested anything for darks that I would consider selling (but I've only tested 3 or 4).

The only two products for lights that I've had any success with are JPSS (but I'm still in the early stages of testing) and Jet II from Imprintables (might go by different names). The Jet II has held up beautifully after two months with little noticeable fade. I would sell this product without hesitation. Samples of the JPSS will cost you but samples of the Jet II can be had for free if you contact Josh from Imprintables.
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