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DREAMGLASS · July 19th, 2008

Thanks for the info Luis. Will have a look for that item on the net. Not sure that the fraying sounds too good an idea for seling to customers though.

Lnfortun · July 19th, 2008

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	Thanks for the info Luis. Will have a look for that item on the net. Not sure that the fraying sounds too good an idea for seling to customers though.

I guess the best way to find out is to get sample and wash it several times under harsh conditions. See if that becomes bad enough to your satisfaction that you feel the paying customer will object to it.

BTW mrdavid was doing wash test for me of the two shirts I did on dark shirts. I am not sure if hes is still doing the test. Try sending him a PM and mention if he noticed any fraying around the edges.

Here is the link to test wash:

Airwaves Fabric opaque - T-Shirt Forums

DREAMGLASS · July 19th, 2008

Hi Luis. Know this thread has attracted a lot of interest, so let me see if I have understood this right.

The aiwaves fabric opaque is a two part laser transfer paper. You can use sublimation ink to print direct onto the fabric part, this fabric part is then pressed onto the shirt?

Know MrDavid's post got very confusing for folks, as he was using four different types altogether, but how is the freezer paper mentioned is used how, or doesn't it apply to the sublimation method?

As a lot of folks using ordinary inkjet inks will be reading this, how did the inkjet compare to the sublimation?

ambitious · July 20th, 2008

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	Hi Luis. Know this thread has attracted a lot of interest, so let me see if I have understood this right. The aiwaves fabric opaque is a two part laser transfer paper. You can use sublimation ink to print direct onto the fabric part, this fabric part is then pressed onto the shirt? Know MrDavid's post got very confusing for folks, as he was using four different types altogether, but how is the freezer paper mentioned is used how, or doesn't it apply to the sublimation method? As a lot of folks using ordinary inkjet inks will be reading this, how did the inkjet compare to the sublimation?

i would love to see the comparables of inkjet vs sublimation..keep us informed please.

Lnfortun · July 21st, 2008

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	Know MrDavid's post got very confusing for folks, as he was using four different types altogether, but how is the freezer paper mentioned is used how, or doesn't it apply to the sublimation method?

The freezer paper is applied after the opaque has been sublimated.

The purpose of the freezer paper is to keep the fabric opaque stable when peeling its backing paper off and to keep the opaque from curling to itself. Since the material is made of fabric it is very limp when the backing is off. Also the adhesive on the opaque is pressure sensitive and when it curls to itself the transfer is ruined. The freezer paper will also prevent the fabric from distorting when peeling the backing off the fabric.

The freezer paper does not have polymer on it. It will temporarily bond to the fabric. The beauty of using the freezer paper is the finished product is very soft compared to laser or inkjet transfer pressed on the opaque. Well JPSS may be have better hand than laser transfer.

I have sent Mrdavid a written instruction for sublimation. Somehow he misunderstood it or I was not clear because he used a laser transfer paper over the sublimation ink which was not necessary.

Send me a PM with your email address and I will send you a copy of the instruction.

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	As a lot of folks using ordinary inkjet inks will be reading this, how did the inkjet compare to the sublimation?

I don't have inkjet sublimation ink so I can't compare it with pigment ink. Mrdavid did a sublimation print on it but like I said he pressed a blank laser transfer paper on it which would defeat the purpose and also makes the hand heavier. I do have sublimation thermal wax transfer ink ribbon that I used. The image did not turn out very well because I ran out of release paper. I used ordinary bond paper. Thermal wax printer requires very fine and smooth surface. It did sublimate the image. So I can guarantee you that sublimation will work. One good thing with the sublimation is the hand is very soft. It felt like it is part of the tshirt since there is no polymer on it. That is what I was trying to tell Mrdavid when I sent him the samples.

Girlzndollz · July 21st, 2008

Thank you for explaining the freezer paper with such detail, Luis, You Rock! I had always wondered about that. The red font is freaking my eyes out..lol.. but it was worth the read!

Lnfortun · July 21st, 2008

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	Thank you for explaining the freezer paper with such detail, Luis, You Rock! I had always wondered about that. The red font is freaking my eyes out..lol.. but it was worth the read!

Sorry about the red text. I was wearing my transition shades when I was writing it. No wonder it was not bothering me

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BTW when I said the freezer paper does not have polymer was wrong. It does have some sort of coating on it. It does not transfer to the fabric opaque though. That is how it temporarily hold the on to the fabric opaque. That is what I was trying to say.

Girlzndollz · July 22nd, 2008

LOL, Luis, you just crack me up

, and thanks for the extra info on the freezer paper.

Lnfortun · July 22nd, 2008

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	LOL, Luis, you just crack me up , and thanks for the extra info on the freezer paper.

Kelly, You are welcome

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shirts4you2008 · August 5th, 2008

You shouldn't use ANY fabric softeners! They weaken your transfer and will crack a lot sooner than they should!

I use strickly Dark inkjet transfers for my business and they the pigment ink is very important too.

You should really try these transfers..they are BEST I have found yet and the price is the best as well!!

Transfer paper | heat press | iron-on

Mel

DREAMGLASS · August 5th, 2008

I know it is suggested that you shouldn't use fabric conditioners Mel, but these are tees that are going to have to live into the real world out there. People are going to spill beer down their tees, tv dinners, pizzas, plus every type of sauce imaginable. The tees are going to get thrown into the wash machine along with everything else.

Very few people are going to turn garments inside out, desist from using fabric conditioner, or not use the tumble dryer. The problems arise when the transfer crack or flake in a short period of time and people demand their money back stating the item is not 'of merchantable quality'. If they have paid through a reputable payment gateway, or credit card, they have additional consumer protection, that will almost certainly be enforced in their favour. You have to prove that they have washed the garment incorrectly to cause that sort of damage. Saying you enclosed washing instructions on a piece of paper, would have no legal credibility. The purchaser would simply deny that.

COEDS · August 6th, 2008

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	I know it is suggested that you shouldn't use fabric conditioners Mel, but these are tees that are going to have to live into the real world out there. People are going to spill beer down their tees, tv dinners, pizzas, plus every type of sauce imaginable. The tees are going to get thrown into the wash machine along with everything else. Very few people are going to turn garments inside out, desist from using fabric conditioner, or not use the tumble dryer. The problems arise when the transfer crack or flake in a short period of time and people demand their money back stating the item is not 'of merchantable quality'. If they have paid through a reputable payment gateway, or credit card, they have additional consumer protection, that will almost certainly be enforced in their favour. You have to prove that they have washed the garment incorrectly to cause that sort of damage. Saying you enclosed washing instructions on a piece of paper, would have no legal credibility. The purchaser would simply deny that.

This is the real meat of the issues with heat transfers made from inkjet. I sell alot of shirts,but I try to tell people these are not going to be durable. I make a lot of memorial shirts and this is the quickest route to take. I may get a order for 50 or more and they will need them the next day. This is profitable, but stressful . ..... JB

R1Lover · August 6th, 2008

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	You shouldn't use ANY fabric softeners! They weaken your transfer and will crack a lot sooner than they should! I use strickly Dark inkjet transfers for my business and they the pigment ink is very important too. You should really try these transfers..they are BEST I have found yet and the price is the best as well!! Transfer paper \| heat press \| iron-on Mel

That paper you are using is either Ironall or Alpha, it's one of them for sure.

shirts4you2008 · August 6th, 2008

Well, I've had my business for going on three years now, and I include washing instructions with every single order. I have NEVER had a single person complain of problems after washing, or had anyone demand a refund, etc. People pay a lot of money to get the custom designs, so, they will take the steps to take care of their investment. It isnt just a regular old tshirt you throw on to go to the store to pick up milk.
Whatever design you put on your transfer is what sold...not the tshirt itself. They don't want it to get messed up after they paid so much for it, so, trust me, they read those directions, and follow them. I think more people take the time to do it, than not.
But hey, we all have our own opinion..lol...right? I was just going by my own experience using the dark inkjet transfers for my successful business.
Are you wanting to know if there is a transfer out there that you do NOT have to washing carefully, as far as inkjet transfers go? If that was your question, then I would have to say no. But in my opinion, anything you are trying to sell, and people will invest their money in, should be taken care of anyway. Any item of clothing you buy at a store has the washing instructions on the tag...why should this be any different?
Sorry, I dont mean to sound like I'm arguing! lol Just giving my point of view....
You should buy several different types of transfers and do your own experiments. Then you will know yourself. When you do, please post the results!! lol

Mel

DREAMGLASS · August 6th, 2008

Hi Mel. I currently use sublimation for whites and vinyl for darks, where possible flaking, fading, or peeling doesn't arise. However the items are washed, they still look good.

The purpose of my starting this thread, was to see if there was an inkjet transfer for darks in existence, that could also be used in normal wash cycles.

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