What wax thermal supplies are left? Need red line replacement
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What wax thermal supplies are left? Need red line replacement
What wax thermal supplies are left? Need red line replacement
QLT has recently discontinued their lines of transfer papers. I still need to make soft poster transfers (fluffy, non woven polester fabric)
Panasonic Omniflex paper used to work
A form of yellow line used to work
and obviously Red line works
I am curious if anyone knows of any sources for letter and super A wax thermal papers that peel easily and work on most fabrics including QLTs soft fabric posters and pellon.
I know for certain thermal brite doesn't hardly work at all on anything.
Re: What wax thermal supplies are left? Need red line replacement
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Originally Posted by rmay635703
QLT has recently discontinued their lines of transfer papers. I still need to make soft poster transfers (fluffy, non woven polester fabric)
Panasonic Omniflex paper used to work
A form of yellow line used to work
and obviously Red line works
I am curious if anyone knows of any sources for letter and super A wax thermal papers that peel easily and work on most fabrics including QLTs soft fabric posters and pellon.
I know for certain thermal brite doesn't hardly work at all on anything.
Thanx
Ryan
Have you even tried thermal brite? I used it for 13 years pressing on cotton and cotton blend. Even in some poly using Seiko CH4104 Thermal Wax printer. It is still available at Airwaves Inc. It has negligible polymer window compared to some of the latest brand of laser transfer paper.
I have some shirts that are over 8 years old and still looks good.
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Re: What wax thermal supplies are left? Need red line replacement
Somehow I think the brite I tried wayyy back and the stuff made now must be different or people know some sort of voodoo. Either that or it is incompatible with a Shinko CHC-545 or CHC445 wax thermal printer
How long and what temp do you press thermal brite at? Does the pressure have to be immensely heavy beyond normal or light? Do you have to be very skilled at pulling it fast off the fabric? I have an old pair of 12"x14" knight heatpresses that I use, what type of press is needed?
I tried a product called thermal bright in the mid 90's and half my shirts wouldn't peel (the image came up with the paper) Whenever I tried to let it cool a little I could never get it to peel, pull it immediately and fast and I could usually get the paper off but sometimes part of the image stuck to the paper and not on the shirt.
I could not remove the thermal brite off the QLT soft posters, it stuck on like glue.
I do know that the ones that DID peel looked excellent and I do know that wax thermal is one of the most durable printed transfers around. I have several posters from the early 90's done with an old omniflex that have been outside and through hell that still look OK 16 years later (although a little dirty)
Isn't there anything other than Brite? It seemed to be very difficult to peel, hard to start without folding an edge in, even then many times it didn't seem to stick properly and if it cooled at all you had to try to repress the area that wouldn't peel and pray.
I gave up after ruining about 12 shirts and went back to QLT 2000 which is difficult to peel (takes more force) but always comes off and Redline which could be hand ironed if I wanted and was a piece of cake.
Re: What wax thermal supplies are left? Need red line replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by rmay635703
Somehow I think the brite I tried wayyy back and the stuff made now must be different or people know some sort of voodoo. Either that or it is incompatible with a Shinko CHC-545 or CHC445 wax thermal printer
How long and what temp do you press thermal brite at? Does the pressure have to be immensely heavy beyond normal or light? Do you have to be very skilled at pulling it fast off the fabric? I have an old pair of 12"x14" knight heatpresses that I use, what type of press is needed?
I tried a product called thermal bright in the mid 90's and half my shirts wouldn't peel (the image came up with the paper) Whenever I tried to let it cool a little I could never get it to peel, pull it immediately and fast and I could usually get the paper off but sometimes part of the image stuck to the paper and not on the shirt.
I could not remove the thermal brite off the QLT soft posters, it stuck on like glue.
I do know that the ones that DID peel looked excellent and I do know that wax thermal is one of the most durable printed transfers around. I have several posters from the early 90's done with an old omniflex that have been outside and through hell that still look OK 16 years later (although a little dirty)
Isn't there anything other than Brite? It seemed to be very difficult to peel, hard to start without folding an edge in, even then many times it didn't seem to stick properly and if it cooled at all you had to try to repress the area that wouldn't peel and pray.
I gave up after ruining about 12 shirts and went back to QLT 2000 which is difficult to peel (takes more force) but always comes off and Redline which could be hand ironed if I wanted and was a piece of cake.
Cheers
Ryan
I use Stahls Hotronix Swinger. I set the pressure beyond the max pressure more than the digital display can show. Max is 9. First I set it to 9 then crank the pressure knob 1 more full turn after that. I set the dwell to 6 seconds.
I pre press the shirt for 2 to 3 seconds to remove moisture and wrinkle. Locate and place the transfer on the shirt. Let the shirt cool down to avoid post transfering the ink. As you wax ink melts easy. I press and peel hot immediately and it peels like butter. Very little trace of ink is left in the paper. To improve washability and hand I then stretch the sides of the shirt. I cover it with teflon sheet. Press it again for another 5 seconds. Peel hot immediately.
It is too bad that Seiko discontinued the ink sheets for my printer. Otherwise I would still be using my printer to make my transfers. I have plenty left of Thermal Brite B4 size. If you want to try it again I can send you some. Just send me a PM.
In a way it was a blessing because I switched to laser printer since I did not have any choice and found Imageclip transfer paper which is self weeding.
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Luis MAD Scientist JR. AKA MS2 Digital Artist. My canvas is t-shirt and my paintbrush is heat press.
Re: What wax thermal supplies are left? Need red line replacement
If you still have used ribbons for your seiko and can find a used ribbon for a shinko 545 (basically a slightly faster less advanced copy of it)
You may find that you can move the ink sensors and get the wrong ink working.
Others have accomplished this with some cutting with the SHinko 335/445 ink and the Panasonic omniflex though they had to cut ribbons and adjust the gain on the position sensors (hopefully unnecessary on a seiko B4 to shinko B4)
Anything is possible if you have knowledge and too much time.
Re: What wax thermal supplies are left? Need red line replacement
Quote:
Originally Posted by rmay635703
If you still have used ribbons for your seiko and can find a used ribbon for a shinko 545 (basically a slightly faster less advanced copy of it)
You may find that you can move the ink sensors and get the wrong ink working.
Others have accomplished this with some cutting with the SHinko 335/445 ink and the Panasonic omniflex though they had to cut ribbons and adjust the gain on the position sensors (hopefully unnecessary on a seiko B4 to shinko B4)
Anything is possible if you have knowledge and too much time.
Where do buy your shinko ribbons? I have been looking for alternative ribbon source for my Seiko. I was hoping that something like that will work. My only concern is the spool size might be different.
I have to put my printer to pasture yet. It has been a work horse and it still works.
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Luis MAD Scientist JR. AKA MS2 Digital Artist. My canvas is t-shirt and my paintbrush is heat press.
Re: What wax thermal supplies are left? Need red line replacement
I would strongly recommend you DON'T buy a new ribbon, find a used one from someone first and compare the two, the main issues are that you may have to reroll the ink on the spool (there are quick ways with some effort)
The ink sensor locations are different AKA the black spots that mark the different color ink sheets vary.
Once you decode this there may be a workable solution as the wax thermal inks tend to be almost identically across models, just the different ink divider markings which may follow a similar pattern allowing you to just move them.
Another issue that occasionally occurs though I've never seen it is the order the colors are on the ribbon.
I may be able to dig up an old used shinko 545 ribbon if you want just handle shipping from WI and you can test away.
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